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''Article 1''. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

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== [[Human rights in Wikimedia projects]] ==

* "Virgilio, your accusations are outrageous and false to the point of making no coherent sense whatsoever. No one is violating anyone's human rights on Wikipedia. Please stop wasting people's time."--[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#top talk]) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=408766776&oldid=408737421 11:16, 19 January 2011 (UTC)]

== [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page/en&direction=next&oldid=76599 Wikimedia Strategic Planning] ==

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'''[http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:March_2011_Update Talk:March 2011 Update]'''

* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Feedback_from_New_Editors/reply_(29) Feedback from new editors], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Asinthior Asinthior], 14:19, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
** "I've participated in a couple of discussion pages. On one of them an experienced user was downright hostile from the very start. As if I was being a naughty kid or I was disrupting the article on purpose. I hadn't done any changes, I was just suggesting it be done. As I see it I had a logic argument that would suffice anywhere in the world. What they told me (or what I interpreted I was being told) was that according to WP policies my argument meant nothing. I found that profoundly unfair and frustrating. Add to that the fact that this editor were completely uncivil and hostile from the start and it's miracle I'm still here. A second experience was slightly civil. Once again I posted a comment on a discussion page of an article suggesting a change. This time a very civil experienced editor showed me the ropes and give all kinds of information on WP policy to explain why this change was unfitting. I did my homework, followed all the links, read them, ask questions to other users and came back to argue my case just to be confronted with a veiled threat that I was rocking the boat for no good and it may have repercussions. As I've never been blocked before and I don't intend to be, I just gave up. [...] To my surprise I found the editor from the first story I recounted (easily a couple of years after I first crossed paths with him or her) in a wikiquette alert. All administrators participating in the discussion wanted nothing to be done, as this was an experienced user and a new user should know better than upsetting an experienced user."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/New_Users_creating_New_Articles/reply_%2811%29 New users creating new articles], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Flatterworld Flatterworld], 21:06, 12 March 2011
** "You may as well hang out a sign: '''We Hate Non-Nerds!''' and be done with it. Fix the obvious first instead of looking for endless ways to spend more money and time. This. Isn't. Rocket. Science. A few descriptions would solve the problem for 90% of the people. (I '''really''' can't believe no staff or Admin has ever noticed that. That tells you a lot, right there.)
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/case_in_point_%22article_probation.%22 case in point "article probation."], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Decora Decora], 16:13, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
** "I have never heard of this until today. "Article Probation" "The community has placed this article on article probation as specified at Talk:Barack Obama/Article probation. Any addition of content that is not properly sourced, does not conform to Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, or is defamatory will be promptly removed. In addition, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia without any further warning." Imagine how a n00b feels reading that? Dont screw up or we will ban you. Not very inviting. we wont just remove your edit, we will banish you. no discussion, no appeal, no explanation. I have already suggested several times that the Edit Notice (the thing you see right above 'save my edit' button) should include a link to the EFF 'blogger legal guide',and advise people not to post defamatory or libelous material. my suggestion has been routinely ignored"
** "what is 'you may be blocked without further warning'? the idea that violators of rules get to know what they did wrong is a principle as old as the Magna Carta. a good organization does not banish someone without giving a reason. This is a 'redundant regulation'. It is alreayd the policy, under Biography of Living Person, that any material not properly sourced is immediately removed. What is the extra step of banishing the editor? There are already procedures to ban people who have broken the rules repeatedly. You can also simply lock articles for a while. Why the redundancy? The upshot is that, if you want to know what drives people away, its that sort of thing. IMHO. Not a lack of a visual editor or whatever. It's the attitude of 'guilty of bad faith until proven innocent'."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/New_Users_creating_New_Articles/reply_(7) New users creating new articles], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Finell Finell], 09:22, 12 March 2011
** "A lot of experienced editors treat well meaning newbies badly, with nasty edit summaries on their reverts, nasty talk page posts ("Welcome to Wikipedia, thanks for your contribution, but what you wrote is utter nonsense ..."), and overly aggressive use of warning templates."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Another_simple_explanation_of_editing_trends/reply Another simple explanation of editing trends], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:First Light First Light], 04:27, 12 March 2011
** "[...] is the main purpose of Wikipedia [...] to create a welcoming and friendly online community, at which it seems to be failing?"
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Glossary_of_Terms/reply_%283%29 Glossary of Terms], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kerry Raymond Kerry Raymond]], 01:42, 12 March 2011
** "Every time I turn around someone seems to be complaining about something I've done (although I am not clear about exactly what it is) [...] I saw a comment somewhere about whether people felt they are members of the Wikipedia/Wikimedia community. After a number of years, I never have. Partly because (until I stumbled on this page this morning) I never found anywhere I could talk to anyone, and talking is surely the basis for community."

== [http://www.metafilter.com/101461/A-notable-issue-with-Wikipedia A notable issue with Wikipedia] ==

* [http://www.metafilter.com/user/25884 Artw], 1:47 PM, 11 March 2011. (96 comments total) 13 users marked this as a favorite
** "Between 2005 and 2007, newbies started having real trouble successfully joining the Wikimedia community. Before 2005 in the English Wikipedia, nearly 40% of new editors would still be active a year after their first edit. After 2007, only about 12-15% of new editors were still active a year after their first edit. Post-2007, lots of people were still trying to become Wikipedia editors. What had changed, though, is that they were increasingly failing to integrate into the Wikipedia community, and failing increasingly quickly. The Wikimedia community had become too hard to penetrate."

== Requests for assistance ==

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* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052376.html are there enough resources to correct the course?] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado], Fri Jun 5 17:16:24 UTC 2009
** [...] this state of affairs in the Portuguese Wikipedia cannot be tolerated, condoned and supported by the resources of the Wikimedia Foundation, generously provided by volunteers and donors keen on improving the general knowledge and welfare of humankind and not the misguidance of a group that actively or with their silence have taken over the Portuguese Wikipedia. Swift and drastic measures need to be taken to stop this. I believe that as a consequence of the self management of the [Portuguese Wikipedia], it is now being operated and run on a daily basis by a group of people with severe mental, emotional, and behavioral problems, completely out of control and without any kind of supervision and/or regulation. This has been corroborated by several pt-wikipedians. In an attempt to gather a sample of their statements, a non-exhaustive collection was made ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Adeus_Wikip%C3%A9dia]). It was voted for deletion ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:P%C3%A1ginas_para_eliminar/Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Adeus_Wikip%C3%A9dia]) with arguments from both sides that are outright embarrassing. Maintaining the page won by four votes. [See also [http://human-rights-in-cyberspace.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Portuguese_Wikipedia_governance_issues#Adeus_Wikip.C3.A9dia_II]] This voting is just one of many examples of rampant disrespect for the five pillars, occurring, unchallenged, on a regular basis on the Portuguese Wikipedia. Mobbing is practiced matter of factly, and promoted openly on discussion pages. Just for your information, please be aware that I was already harassed on the Portuguese Wikipedia ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Esplanada/Arquivo/2009/Maio#Vapmachado_resmungando_na_lista_de_discuss.C3.A3o_da_Wikimedia_Foundation]) for bringing up this subject on "foundation-l." I was under the threat of banishment ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Vapmachado&oldid=19531470#Aviso_2]) from the pages where this harassment takes place, by the same administrator bureaucrat and member of the of arbitration committee mentioned [...]. When I questioned the voting for violating that Wikipedia is free content, I ended up blocked for six days ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Vapmachado&oldid=19531470#Bloqueio_2]). I don't think that analysis of much of the goings on in the pt:wiki by competent professionals would give it a clean bill of mental health. It's a crazy world, I know, but the project is of an encyclopedia, not a crazypedia (forgive my hyperbole.) "Pero si muove." Certainly, it does, but at what cost, it is my turn to ask. Is it really as impossible to bring a project like this under control, once it gets spinning on its own axis, as it is to stop the Earth from moving? Or are there enough resources to correct the course?
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-November/062378.html I believe I need some serious help] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] Fri Nov 12 23:16:56 UTC 2010
** [...] There is an almost systematic interference by «[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Yanguas Yanguas]», a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Wikip%C3%A9dia:P%C3%A1gina_principal wiki.pt] administrator, with the user pages of the students listed on these two pages (further details available): "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Log%C3%ADstica_2008/Trabalhos_conclu%C3%ADdos Logística 2008/Trabalhos concluídos]" and "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Log%C3%ADstica_2009/Trabalhos_conclu%C3%ADdos Logística 2009/Trabalhos concluídos]" besides my own [http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado&diff=19532251&oldid=19375493 user page]. I would like to know if there is someone willing and able to help with this situation.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062845.html deafening silence], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado], Mon Dec 6 23:41:28 UTC 2010
** What a timely post.[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062844.html] What an opportunity to test the Santa Claus hierarchical structure.[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062818.html] I do feel your pain, but given my extensive experience of bring up all sorts of shenanigans to the attention of this list and meeting the most deafening silence, I'm taking bets on what kind of response you going to get here or anywhere else, including where it would matter most: Commons. The house, as always, has an advantage: it has been already more then three hours since you posted your message and the response has been an overwhelming zero. If you do succeed in bringing any change to Commons through this request of yours, I will follow with a similar one of my own concerning the Brazilian Wikipedia, whose de facto "president" has recently delivered a speech that includes some well oiled quotes like "I'm not a crook."[http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Pedidos_de_opini%C3%A3o/Pedido_de_interven%C3%A7%C3%A3o&diff=prev&oldid=22174526#Ruy_Pugliesi] Actually the place is falling apart from rot: no bureaucrats, no checkusers, and an arbcom which is the epitome of fairness and due procedure, and now under the spell of a steward that lay in waiting for his time to take over. All of you that are believers join me in prayer for the salvation of that project, although I think that is not going to be enough. Things are going to get a lot worse, before they have a chance to get better, if ever. Best of luck to you too, Carolina.[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brazil_Catalyst_Project/Barry_Newstead_Announcement]
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard/Archives/2011-01#Request_to_undelete Request to undelete], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado]
** Please undo all deletions made within the scope of the following log: [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Sir+Lestaty+de+Lioncourt&page=User%3ASir+Lestaty+de+Lioncourt%40ptwiki&month=4&year=2010]. Thank you so very much. [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Vapmachado] 00:02, 24 December 2010 (UTC) '''Background''' Unaware of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:User:Kylu/Essay essay] published in August, 2007, a RfC was open, in late July of 2010, on what is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-public_personal_information public or non-public personal information]. The RfC was announced on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Public_or_non-public_personal_information Oversight talk page]. There are comments on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-public_personal_information RfC talk page] and "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Public_or_non-public_personal_information an anonymized, yet exact copy of the user subpage on pt.wiki to make the discussion possible]." There was also a questioning of the use of Oversight, on it's own talk page, about "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Removing_private_information.2C_that_users_published_themselves.3F Removing private information, that users published themselves?]" The RfC was closed Sept. 19, as announced on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Meta:Babel/Archives/2010-09#Requests_for_comment.2FPublic_or_non-public_personal_information Meta:Babel]. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:User:Vapmachado Vapmachado] 20:42, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-January/063351.html Request for assistance] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] Wed Jan 5 19:15:37 UTC 2011
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado#Updated_request_for_assistance Updated request for assistance] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] 19:55, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
** Please let me know:
::a) why my request for unblock was never answered,
::b) where on page (2) are the occurrences of "harassment,"
::c) if after Dec. 23, "he's just returned to do the same thing that lead him to be blocked in the first instance.",
::d) where are the occurrences of "continued hostile behavior,"
::e) towards what or whom is that "continued hostile behavior,"
::f) why my "interesting history" of "cross-wiki" pioneering achievements is never mentioned, a clear violation of a NPOV in decision making.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-April/065123.html Please give us some links...]
** Fred Bauder Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:47:56 Was there an arbitration case? Or other dispute resolution events? If so, could you share your reactions to the fairness and comprehensiveness of what happened? Please give us some links... Fred
** Virgilio A. P. Machado Sun, 10 Apr 2011 05:37:44 What is the purpose of all those questions? I've always provided that information to this list and if anything ever come out of it, besides being scolded by the list masters for making off-list posts, was to gain a new following of admirers. Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado
** Fred Bauder Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:57:49 The reason to ask is because if there is a problem we might be able to resolve it. At this point I don't know what your problem was or is. You seem to be nursing a grievance; trying to milk it rather than solving it. I'm sorry if I've not paid perfect attention, but I don't think I've got the tone wrong. Fred
** Virgilio A. P. Machado Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:36:10 Of course there are problems, some of them in plain English. Is anybody on this list able to do anything about them? I'm sure there is. That is why I have posted here so many times asking for help. Have I received any help? None whatsoever. It's kind of hard to believe that any assiduous member of this list is totally unaware of my "Request for assistance" posted Jan. 5. That's already more than three months ago. Have I seen any results? You bet. You can see by yourself looking at my Meta talk page from http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado#Block all the way down to the declining of my request to unblock "with an expiry time of infinite", on Jan. 16. Am I nursing a grievance? You bet I am. For three months and still counting. Will I ever forgive? There's nothing to forgive. Will I ever forget? Never. I can assure you that is not in my nature. Once someone gets on my ignore mode it stays there until chickens grow teeth. Am I trying to milk it? There's nothing to milk. I'm not sure of the exact meaning in which that expression was used, but anyway I look at it, it does not seem very relevant. Nevertheless you can bet that I believe that one day the chickens will come home to roost. Except for overlooking a bunch of my previous requests for help, including the one above, it seems you were paying perfect attention and you got my tone wright: "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore! I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about Meta, the Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado)

== "You're an idiot" ==

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* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikipedia-criticism-group-purges-three-critics Wikipedia criticism group purges three critics] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] July 27th, 2010 5:50 pm ET
** "An academic group dedicated to fostering a "critical point of view" as regards Wikipedia has decided to purge three noteworthy Wikipedia critics from its ranks. The crime? They were too critical of Wikipedia."
* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikimedia-foundation-s-boss-gives-orders Wikimedia Foundation's boss gives orders] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] August 4th, 2010 1:23 pm ET
** [http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/001299.html "Seth, you're an idiot."] --[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] January, 2008
** [...] "I have said this many times in the past and will say it many times in the future I am sure: some people need to find a different hobby, because whatever they are here for, it is not to help build an encyclopedia." [...] --[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales talk]) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive330&diff=prev&oldid=173346013 20:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)]
* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikipedia-is-not-the-encyclopedia-anyone-can-edit Wikipedia is not the encyclopedia anyone can edit] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] August 9th, 2010 9:02 am ET
** "Wikipedia may claim as a headline on its very own main page to be "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit", but nothing could be further from the truth. [...] you could be the sweetest, most innocent Wikipedia editor ever to grace its community, but if you choose a user name like "Gbmontreal" or "Rawnuke", you're liable to be blocked (as was the case with these two editor accounts) by a guy like "Orangemike"."

 

 

 

== Forget altruism ==

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* "[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052819.html antisocial production]", [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Eddie_tejeda Eddie Tejeda], Sat Jun 27 21:57:44 UTC 2009
** 'Forget altruism. Misanthropy and egotism are the fuel of online social production. That's the conclusion suggested by a new study of the character traits of the contributors to Wikipedia. A team of Israeli research psychologists gave personality tests to 69 Wikipedians and 70 non-Wikipedians. They discovered that, as New Scientist puts it,[http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16349-psychologist-finds-wikipedians-grumpy-and-closedminded.html] Wikipedians are generally "grumpy," "disagreeable," and "closed to new ideas."'[http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2009/06/the_sour_wikipe.php]
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052820.html Always knew this], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fred_Bauder Fred Bauder], Sat Jun 27 22:07:15 UTC 2009
** Always knew this, Wikipedia is generally an outlet for folks who have low interpersonal social skills, or at least insufficient outlets for self expression. As to "Disagreeable and closed to new ideas", that is policy, Wikipedia is a compendium of established knowledge, not a place for new ideas, which we call original research.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052823.html it is "policy" to be "disagreeable"]? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Michael_David Marc Riddell], Sat Jun 27 22:27:23 UTC 2009
** C'mon, Fred; it is "policy" to be "disagreeable"?
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052825.html pretty accurate], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fordmadoxfraud David Moran], Sat Jun 27 22:35:25 UTC 2009
** While not exactly science, having gone to more than one Wikipedia picnic to break bread with my fellow contributors ... the conclusions seem pretty accurate to me.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052828.html close to that conclusion] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Millosh Milos Rancic], Sat Jun 27 23:55:38 UTC 2009
** Generally, my experiences are close to that conclusion.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052846.html distinguish between cancers and cures], [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Eclecticology Ray Saintonge], Mon Jun 29 06:40:33 UTC 2009
** Biting newbies, aggressive insistence on established procedures and guidelines across a wide range of article types, or general impatience are all part of the more disagreeable qualities to be found. As a community grows in size and self-importance it becomes easier to ignore new ideas by reacting to them with silence. By quietly disposing of new ideas the community's immune system is at its bacteriophagic best; it is just not smart enough to distinguish between cancers and cures.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052876.html outrageous], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Node_ue Mark Williamson], Tue Jun 30 09:11:05 UTC 2009
** Behavior on many projects IS outrageous; when someone complains the response is almost universally that the foundation doesn't get involved in local project business.

== That doesn't really fly here ==

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* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052863.html empathy, camaraderie, and friendship], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado], Tue Jun 30 01:47:31 UTC 2009
** I'm saddened by the undeniable evidence, that even on this list it is easier to find displeasure than empathy, camaraderie, not to mention friendship. As I was told: That doesn't really fly here.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052866.html It is truly a sad state of affairs], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Michael_David Marc Riddell]], Tue Jun 30 00:35:50 UTC 2009
** You are not alone in your observations, Virgilio; more agree with you than will admit. It is truly a sad state of affairs.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052867.html exchanges aren't always very friendly], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nathan Nathan]], Tue Jun 30 02:01:21 UTC 2009
** You're right, though, that exchanges on this list aren't always very friendly.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052871.html those who don't like being bullied don't post], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Eclecticology Ray Saintonge]], Tue Jun 30 04:53:37 UTC 2009
** One of the problems is precisely that those who don't like being bullied don't post, because that shuts out an entire range of opinions from those who are more thoughtful than loud. There's a problem with just asking questions too. If what you want is a dose of paternalistic pablum, that's exactly what you'll get.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-April/065264.html something that happens on this list a lot], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SlimVirgin Sarah]], Fri Apr 15 22:36:42 UTC 2011
** here we see something that happens on this list a lot. Someone questions or disagrees, and they're attacked. Why is that? What is it that makes questioning a bad thing?

== In Portuguese ==

* [http://diariodawikipedista.blogspot.com/2008/02/friends-forever.html Diário da Wikipedista], ''blog'' de [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:Anne_Valladares Anne Valladares], February 9, 2008
** A [http://bp1.blogger.com/_WDmQBNIv71c/R7SQRuBh05I/AAAAAAAAANc/ibmXEjDKqH8/s1600-h/fredxavier.jpg fotografia] que [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:Anne_Valladares uma wikipedista] mostra de [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:JSSX outro wikipedista]
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipt/2007-December/000424.html From WikiPT], Felipe Micaroni Lalli, December 15th, 2007 2:52 (UTC)
** «Na própria Wikipédia o que se vê nos bastidores é uma disputa de egos sem fim. Eu diria até que numa empresa extremamente capitalista não há tanto corporativismo e tanta deslealdade como na política da Wikipédia.»

== Human rights ==

On December 10, 1948 the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted and proclaimed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [...]. Following this historic act the Assembly called upon all Member countries to publicize the text of the Declaration and "to cause it to be disseminated, displayed, read and expounded principally in schools and other educational institutions, without distinction based on the political status of countries or territories."[http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml]

; Preamble

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

[...] the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

[...]

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

[...]

Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

'''Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS''' as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance [...]

''Article 1''. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

''Article 28''. Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

''Article 29''. (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible. (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society. (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

''Article 30''. Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any [...] group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

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Vapmachado: /* Forget altruism */ *txt

''Article 1''. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

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== [[Human rights in Wikimedia projects]] ==

* "Virgilio, your accusations are outrageous and false to the point of making no coherent sense whatsoever. No one is violating anyone's human rights on Wikipedia. Please stop wasting people's time."--[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#top talk]) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=408766776&oldid=408737421 11:16, 19 January 2011 (UTC)]

== [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page/en&direction=next&oldid=76599 Wikimedia Strategic Planning] ==

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'''[http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:March_2011_Update Talk:March 2011 Update]'''

* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Feedback_from_New_Editors/reply_(29) Feedback from new editors], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Asinthior Asinthior], 14:19, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
** "I've participated in a couple of discussion pages. On one of them an experienced user was downright hostile from the very start. As if I was being a naughty kid or I was disrupting the article on purpose. I hadn't done any changes, I was just suggesting it be done. As I see it I had a logic argument that would suffice anywhere in the world. What they told me (or what I interpreted I was being told) was that according to WP policies my argument meant nothing. I found that profoundly unfair and frustrating. Add to that the fact that this editor were completely uncivil and hostile from the start and it's miracle I'm still here. A second experience was slightly civil. Once again I posted a comment on a discussion page of an article suggesting a change. This time a very civil experienced editor showed me the ropes and give all kinds of information on WP policy to explain why this change was unfitting. I did my homework, followed all the links, read them, ask questions to other users and came back to argue my case just to be confronted with a veiled threat that I was rocking the boat for no good and it may have repercussions. As I've never been blocked before and I don't intend to be, I just gave up. [...] To my surprise I found the editor from the first story I recounted (easily a couple of years after I first crossed paths with him or her) in a wikiquette alert. All administrators participating in the discussion wanted nothing to be done, as this was an experienced user and a new user should know better than upsetting an experienced user."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/New_Users_creating_New_Articles/reply_%2811%29 New users creating new articles], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Flatterworld Flatterworld], 21:06, 12 March 2011
** "You may as well hang out a sign: '''We Hate Non-Nerds!''' and be done with it. Fix the obvious first instead of looking for endless ways to spend more money and time. This. Isn't. Rocket. Science. A few descriptions would solve the problem for 90% of the people. (I '''really''' can't believe no staff or Admin has ever noticed that. That tells you a lot, right there.)
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/case_in_point_%22article_probation.%22 case in point "article probation."], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Decora Decora], 16:13, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
** "I have never heard of this until today. "Article Probation" "The community has placed this article on article probation as specified at Talk:Barack Obama/Article probation. Any addition of content that is not properly sourced, does not conform to Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, or is defamatory will be promptly removed. In addition, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia without any further warning." Imagine how a n00b feels reading that? Dont screw up or we will ban you. Not very inviting. we wont just remove your edit, we will banish you. no discussion, no appeal, no explanation. I have already suggested several times that the Edit Notice (the thing you see right above 'save my edit' button) should include a link to the EFF 'blogger legal guide',and advise people not to post defamatory or libelous material. my suggestion has been routinely ignored"
** "what is 'you may be blocked without further warning'? the idea that violators of rules get to know what they did wrong is a principle as old as the Magna Carta. a good organization does not banish someone without giving a reason. This is a 'redundant regulation'. It is alreayd the policy, under Biography of Living Person, that any material not properly sourced is immediately removed. What is the extra step of banishing the editor? There are already procedures to ban people who have broken the rules repeatedly. You can also simply lock articles for a while. Why the redundancy? The upshot is that, if you want to know what drives people away, its that sort of thing. IMHO. Not a lack of a visual editor or whatever. It's the attitude of 'guilty of bad faith until proven innocent'."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/New_Users_creating_New_Articles/reply_(7) New users creating new articles], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Finell Finell], 09:22, 12 March 2011
** "A lot of experienced editors treat well meaning newbies badly, with nasty edit summaries on their reverts, nasty talk page posts ("Welcome to Wikipedia, thanks for your contribution, but what you wrote is utter nonsense ..."), and overly aggressive use of warning templates."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Another_simple_explanation_of_editing_trends/reply Another simple explanation of editing trends], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:First Light First Light], 04:27, 12 March 2011
** "[...] is the main purpose of Wikipedia [...] to create a welcoming and friendly online community, at which it seems to be failing?"
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Glossary_of_Terms/reply_%283%29 Glossary of Terms], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kerry Raymond Kerry Raymond]], 01:42, 12 March 2011
** "Every time I turn around someone seems to be complaining about something I've done (although I am not clear about exactly what it is) [...] I saw a comment somewhere about whether people felt they are members of the Wikipedia/Wikimedia community. After a number of years, I never have. Partly because (until I stumbled on this page this morning) I never found anywhere I could talk to anyone, and talking is surely the basis for community."

== [http://www.metafilter.com/101461/A-notable-issue-with-Wikipedia A notable issue with Wikipedia] ==

* [http://www.metafilter.com/user/25884 Artw], 1:47 PM, 11 March 2011. (96 comments total) 13 users marked this as a favorite
** "Between 2005 and 2007, newbies started having real trouble successfully joining the Wikimedia community. Before 2005 in the English Wikipedia, nearly 40% of new editors would still be active a year after their first edit. After 2007, only about 12-15% of new editors were still active a year after their first edit. Post-2007, lots of people were still trying to become Wikipedia editors. What had changed, though, is that they were increasingly failing to integrate into the Wikipedia community, and failing increasingly quickly. The Wikimedia community had become too hard to penetrate."

== Requests for assistance ==

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* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052376.html are there enough resources to correct the course?] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado], Fri Jun 5 17:16:24 UTC 2009
** [...] this state of affairs in the Portuguese Wikipedia cannot be tolerated, condoned and supported by the resources of the Wikimedia Foundation, generously provided by volunteers and donors keen on improving the general knowledge and welfare of humankind and not the misguidance of a group that actively or with their silence have taken over the Portuguese Wikipedia. Swift and drastic measures need to be taken to stop this. I believe that as a consequence of the self management of the [Portuguese Wikipedia], it is now being operated and run on a daily basis by a group of people with severe mental, emotional, and behavioral problems, completely out of control and without any kind of supervision and/or regulation. This has been corroborated by several pt-wikipedians. In an attempt to gather a sample of their statements, a non-exhaustive collection was made ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Adeus_Wikip%C3%A9dia]). It was voted for deletion ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:P%C3%A1ginas_para_eliminar/Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Adeus_Wikip%C3%A9dia]) with arguments from both sides that are outright embarrassing. Maintaining the page won by four votes. [See also [http://human-rights-in-cyberspace.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Portuguese_Wikipedia_governance_issues#Adeus_Wikip.C3.A9dia_II]] This voting is just one of many examples of rampant disrespect for the five pillars, occurring, unchallenged, on a regular basis on the Portuguese Wikipedia. Mobbing is practiced matter of factly, and promoted openly on discussion pages. Just for your information, please be aware that I was already harassed on the Portuguese Wikipedia ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Esplanada/Arquivo/2009/Maio#Vapmachado_resmungando_na_lista_de_discuss.C3.A3o_da_Wikimedia_Foundation]) for bringing up this subject on "foundation-l." I was under the threat of banishment ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Vapmachado&oldid=19531470#Aviso_2]) from the pages where this harassment takes place, by the same administrator bureaucrat and member of the of arbitration committee mentioned [...]. When I questioned the voting for violating that Wikipedia is free content, I ended up blocked for six days ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Vapmachado&oldid=19531470#Bloqueio_2]). I don't think that analysis of much of the goings on in the pt:wiki by competent professionals would give it a clean bill of mental health. It's a crazy world, I know, but the project is of an encyclopedia, not a crazypedia (forgive my hyperbole.) "Pero si muove." Certainly, it does, but at what cost, it is my turn to ask. Is it really as impossible to bring a project like this under control, once it gets spinning on its own axis, as it is to stop the Earth from moving? Or are there enough resources to correct the course?
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-November/062378.html I believe I need some serious help] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] Fri Nov 12 23:16:56 UTC 2010
** [...] There is an almost systematic interference by «[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Yanguas Yanguas]», a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Wikip%C3%A9dia:P%C3%A1gina_principal wiki.pt] administrator, with the user pages of the students listed on these two pages (further details available): "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Log%C3%ADstica_2008/Trabalhos_conclu%C3%ADdos Logística 2008/Trabalhos concluídos]" and "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Log%C3%ADstica_2009/Trabalhos_conclu%C3%ADdos Logística 2009/Trabalhos concluídos]" besides my own [http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado&diff=19532251&oldid=19375493 user page]. I would like to know if there is someone willing and able to help with this situation.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062845.html deafening silence], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado], Mon Dec 6 23:41:28 UTC 2010
** What a timely post.[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062844.html] What an opportunity to test the Santa Claus hierarchical structure.[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062818.html] I do feel your pain, but given my extensive experience of bring up all sorts of shenanigans to the attention of this list and meeting the most deafening silence, I'm taking bets on what kind of response you going to get here or anywhere else, including where it would matter most: Commons. The house, as always, has an advantage: it has been already more then three hours since you posted your message and the response has been an overwhelming zero. If you do succeed in bringing any change to Commons through this request of yours, I will follow with a similar one of my own concerning the Brazilian Wikipedia, whose de facto "president" has recently delivered a speech that includes some well oiled quotes like "I'm not a crook."[http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Pedidos_de_opini%C3%A3o/Pedido_de_interven%C3%A7%C3%A3o&diff=prev&oldid=22174526#Ruy_Pugliesi] Actually the place is falling apart from rot: no bureaucrats, no checkusers, and an arbcom which is the epitome of fairness and due procedure, and now under the spell of a steward that lay in waiting for his time to take over. All of you that are believers join me in prayer for the salvation of that project, although I think that is not going to be enough. Things are going to get a lot worse, before they have a chance to get better, if ever. Best of luck to you too, Carolina.[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brazil_Catalyst_Project/Barry_Newstead_Announcement]
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard/Archives/2011-01#Request_to_undelete Request to undelete], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado]
** Please undo all deletions made within the scope of the following log: [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Sir+Lestaty+de+Lioncourt&page=User%3ASir+Lestaty+de+Lioncourt%40ptwiki&month=4&year=2010]. Thank you so very much. [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Vapmachado] 00:02, 24 December 2010 (UTC) '''Background''' Unaware of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:User:Kylu/Essay essay] published in August, 2007, a RfC was open, in late July of 2010, on what is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-public_personal_information public or non-public personal information]. The RfC was announced on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Public_or_non-public_personal_information Oversight talk page]. There are comments on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-public_personal_information RfC talk page] and "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Public_or_non-public_personal_information an anonymized, yet exact copy of the user subpage on pt.wiki to make the discussion possible]." There was also a questioning of the use of Oversight, on it's own talk page, about "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Removing_private_information.2C_that_users_published_themselves.3F Removing private information, that users published themselves?]" The RfC was closed Sept. 19, as announced on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Meta:Babel/Archives/2010-09#Requests_for_comment.2FPublic_or_non-public_personal_information Meta:Babel]. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:User:Vapmachado Vapmachado] 20:42, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-January/063351.html Request for assistance] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] Wed Jan 5 19:15:37 UTC 2011
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado#Updated_request_for_assistance Updated request for assistance] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] 19:55, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
** Please let me know:
::a) why my request for unblock was never answered,
::b) where on page (2) are the occurrences of "harassment,"
::c) if after Dec. 23, "he's just returned to do the same thing that lead him to be blocked in the first instance.",
::d) where are the occurrences of "continued hostile behavior,"
::e) towards what or whom is that "continued hostile behavior,"
::f) why my "interesting history" of "cross-wiki" pioneering achievements is never mentioned, a clear violation of a NPOV in decision making.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-April/065123.html Please give us some links...]
** Fred Bauder Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:47:56 Was there an arbitration case? Or other dispute resolution events? If so, could you share your reactions to the fairness and comprehensiveness of what happened? Please give us some links... Fred
** Virgilio A. P. Machado Sun, 10 Apr 2011 05:37:44 What is the purpose of all those questions? I've always provided that information to this list and if anything ever come out of it, besides being scolded by the list masters for making off-list posts, was to gain a new following of admirers. Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado
** Fred Bauder Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:57:49 The reason to ask is because if there is a problem we might be able to resolve it. At this point I don't know what your problem was or is. You seem to be nursing a grievance; trying to milk it rather than solving it. I'm sorry if I've not paid perfect attention, but I don't think I've got the tone wrong. Fred
** Virgilio A. P. Machado Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:36:10 Of course there are problems, some of them in plain English. Is anybody on this list able to do anything about them? I'm sure there is. That is why I have posted here so many times asking for help. Have I received any help? None whatsoever. It's kind of hard to believe that any assiduous member of this list is totally unaware of my "Request for assistance" posted Jan. 5. That's already more than three months ago. Have I seen any results? You bet. You can see by yourself looking at my Meta talk page from http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado#Block all the way down to the declining of my request to unblock "with an expiry time of infinite", on Jan. 16. Am I nursing a grievance? You bet I am. For three months and still counting. Will I ever forgive? There's nothing to forgive. Will I ever forget? Never. I can assure you that is not in my nature. Once someone gets on my ignore mode it stays there until chickens grow teeth. Am I trying to milk it? There's nothing to milk. I'm not sure of the exact meaning in which that expression was used, but anyway I look at it, it does not seem very relevant. Nevertheless you can bet that I believe that one day the chickens will come home to roost. Except for overlooking a bunch of my previous requests for help, including the one above, it seems you were paying perfect attention and you got my tone wright: "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore! I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about Meta, the Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado)

== "You're an idiot" ==

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* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikipedia-criticism-group-purges-three-critics Wikipedia criticism group purges three critics] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] July 27th, 2010 5:50 pm ET
** "An academic group dedicated to fostering a "critical point of view" as regards Wikipedia has decided to purge three noteworthy Wikipedia critics from its ranks. The crime? They were too critical of Wikipedia."
* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikimedia-foundation-s-boss-gives-orders Wikimedia Foundation's boss gives orders] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] August 4th, 2010 1:23 pm ET
** [http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/001299.html "Seth, you're an idiot."] --[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] January, 2008
** [...] "I have said this many times in the past and will say it many times in the future I am sure: some people need to find a different hobby, because whatever they are here for, it is not to help build an encyclopedia." [...] --[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales talk]) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive330&diff=prev&oldid=173346013 20:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)]
* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikipedia-is-not-the-encyclopedia-anyone-can-edit Wikipedia is not the encyclopedia anyone can edit] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] August 9th, 2010 9:02 am ET
** "Wikipedia may claim as a headline on its very own main page to be "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit", but nothing could be further from the truth. [...] you could be the sweetest, most innocent Wikipedia editor ever to grace its community, but if you choose a user name like "Gbmontreal" or "Rawnuke", you're liable to be blocked (as was the case with these two editor accounts) by a guy like "Orangemike"."

 

 

== Forget altruism ==

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* "[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052819.html antisocial production]", [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Eddie_tejeda Eddie Tejeda], Sat Jun 27 21:57:44 UTC 2009
** 'Forget altruism. Misanthropy and egotism are the fuel of online social production. That's the conclusion suggested by a new study of the character traits of the contributors to Wikipedia. A team of Israeli research psychologists gave personality tests to 69 Wikipedians and 70 non-Wikipedians. They discovered that, as New Scientist puts it,[http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16349-psychologist-finds-wikipedians-grumpy-and-closedminded.html] Wikipedians are generally "grumpy," "disagreeable," and "closed to new ideas."'[http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2009/06/the_sour_wikipe.php]
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052820.html Always knew this], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fred_Bauder Fred Bauder], Sat Jun 27 22:07:15 UTC 2009
** Always knew this, Wikipedia is generally an outlet for folks who have low interpersonal social skills, or at least insufficient outlets for self expression. As to "Disagreeable and closed to new ideas", that is policy, Wikipedia is a compendium of established knowledge, not a place for new ideas, which we call original research.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052823.html it is "policy" to be "disagreeable"]? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Michael_David Marc Riddell], Sat Jun 27 22:27:23 UTC 2009
** C'mon, Fred; it is "policy" to be "disagreeable"?
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052825.html pretty accurate], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fordmadoxfraud David Moran], Sat Jun 27 22:35:25 UTC 2009
** While not exactly science, having gone to more than one Wikipedia picnic to break bread with my fellow contributors ... the conclusions seem pretty accurate to me.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052828.html close to that conclusion] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Millosh Milos Rancic], Sat Jun 27 23:55:38 UTC 2009
** Generally, my experiences are close to that conclusion.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052846.html distinguish between cancers and cures], [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Eclecticology Ray Saintonge], Mon Jun 29 06:40:33 UTC 2009
** Biting newbies, aggressive insistence on established procedures and guidelines across a wide range of article types, or general impatience are all part of the more disagreeable qualities to be found. As a community grows in size and self-importance it becomes easier to ignore new ideas by reacting to them with silence. By quietly disposing of new ideas the community's immune system is at its bacteriophagic best; it is just not smart enough to distinguish between cancers and cures.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052876.html outrageous], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Node_ue Mark Williamson], Tue Jun 30 09:11:05 UTC 2009
** Behavior on many projects IS outrageous; when someone complains the response is almost universally that the foundation doesn't get involved in local project business.

== That doesn't really fly here ==

== In Portuguese ==

* [http://diariodawikipedista.blogspot.com/2008/02/friends-forever.html Diário da Wikipedista], ''blog'' de [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:Anne_Valladares Anne Valladares], February 9, 2008
** A [http://bp1.blogger.com/_WDmQBNIv71c/R7SQRuBh05I/AAAAAAAAANc/ibmXEjDKqH8/s1600-h/fredxavier.jpg fotografia] que [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:Anne_Valladares uma wikipedista] mostra de [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:JSSX outro wikipedista]
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipt/2007-December/000424.html From WikiPT], Felipe Micaroni Lalli, December 15th, 2007 2:52 (UTC)
** «Na própria Wikipédia o que se vê nos bastidores é uma disputa de egos sem fim. Eu diria até que numa empresa extremamente capitalista não há tanto corporativismo e tanta deslealdade como na política da Wikipédia.»

== Human rights ==

On December 10, 1948 the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted and proclaimed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [...]. Following this historic act the Assembly called upon all Member countries to publicize the text of the Declaration and "to cause it to be disseminated, displayed, read and expounded principally in schools and other educational institutions, without distinction based on the political status of countries or territories."[http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml]

; Preamble

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

[...] the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

[...]

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

[...]

Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

'''Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS''' as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance [...]

''Article 1''. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

''Article 28''. Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

''Article 29''. (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible. (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society. (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

''Article 30''. Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any [...] group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

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''Article 1''. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

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== [[Human rights in Wikimedia projects]] ==

* "Virgilio, your accusations are outrageous and false to the point of making no coherent sense whatsoever. No one is violating anyone's human rights on Wikipedia. Please stop wasting people's time."--[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#top talk]) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=408766776&oldid=408737421 11:16, 19 January 2011 (UTC)]

== [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page/en&direction=next&oldid=76599 Wikimedia Strategic Planning] ==

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'''[http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:March_2011_Update Talk:March 2011 Update]'''

* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Feedback_from_New_Editors/reply_(29) Feedback from new editors], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Asinthior Asinthior], 14:19, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
** "I've participated in a couple of discussion pages. On one of them an experienced user was downright hostile from the very start. As if I was being a naughty kid or I was disrupting the article on purpose. I hadn't done any changes, I was just suggesting it be done. As I see it I had a logic argument that would suffice anywhere in the world. What they told me (or what I interpreted I was being told) was that according to WP policies my argument meant nothing. I found that profoundly unfair and frustrating. Add to that the fact that this editor were completely uncivil and hostile from the start and it's miracle I'm still here. A second experience was slightly civil. Once again I posted a comment on a discussion page of an article suggesting a change. This time a very civil experienced editor showed me the ropes and give all kinds of information on WP policy to explain why this change was unfitting. I did my homework, followed all the links, read them, ask questions to other users and came back to argue my case just to be confronted with a veiled threat that I was rocking the boat for no good and it may have repercussions. As I've never been blocked before and I don't intend to be, I just gave up. [...] To my surprise I found the editor from the first story I recounted (easily a couple of years after I first crossed paths with him or her) in a wikiquette alert. All administrators participating in the discussion wanted nothing to be done, as this was an experienced user and a new user should know better than upsetting an experienced user."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/New_Users_creating_New_Articles/reply_%2811%29 New users creating new articles], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Flatterworld Flatterworld], 21:06, 12 March 2011
** "You may as well hang out a sign: '''We Hate Non-Nerds!''' and be done with it. Fix the obvious first instead of looking for endless ways to spend more money and time. This. Isn't. Rocket. Science. A few descriptions would solve the problem for 90% of the people. (I '''really''' can't believe no staff or Admin has ever noticed that. That tells you a lot, right there.)
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/case_in_point_%22article_probation.%22 case in point "article probation."], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Decora Decora], 16:13, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
** "I have never heard of this until today. "Article Probation" "The community has placed this article on article probation as specified at Talk:Barack Obama/Article probation. Any addition of content that is not properly sourced, does not conform to Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, or is defamatory will be promptly removed. In addition, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia without any further warning." Imagine how a n00b feels reading that? Dont screw up or we will ban you. Not very inviting. we wont just remove your edit, we will banish you. no discussion, no appeal, no explanation. I have already suggested several times that the Edit Notice (the thing you see right above 'save my edit' button) should include a link to the EFF 'blogger legal guide',and advise people not to post defamatory or libelous material. my suggestion has been routinely ignored"
** "what is 'you may be blocked without further warning'? the idea that violators of rules get to know what they did wrong is a principle as old as the Magna Carta. a good organization does not banish someone without giving a reason. This is a 'redundant regulation'. It is alreayd the policy, under Biography of Living Person, that any material not properly sourced is immediately removed. What is the extra step of banishing the editor? There are already procedures to ban people who have broken the rules repeatedly. You can also simply lock articles for a while. Why the redundancy? The upshot is that, if you want to know what drives people away, its that sort of thing. IMHO. Not a lack of a visual editor or whatever. It's the attitude of 'guilty of bad faith until proven innocent'."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/New_Users_creating_New_Articles/reply_(7) New users creating new articles], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Finell Finell], 09:22, 12 March 2011
** "A lot of experienced editors treat well meaning newbies badly, with nasty edit summaries on their reverts, nasty talk page posts ("Welcome to Wikipedia, thanks for your contribution, but what you wrote is utter nonsense ..."), and overly aggressive use of warning templates."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Another_simple_explanation_of_editing_trends/reply Another simple explanation of editing trends], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:First Light First Light], 04:27, 12 March 2011
** "[...] is the main purpose of Wikipedia [...] to create a welcoming and friendly online community, at which it seems to be failing?"
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Glossary_of_Terms/reply_%283%29 Glossary of Terms], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kerry Raymond Kerry Raymond]], 01:42, 12 March 2011
** "Every time I turn around someone seems to be complaining about something I've done (although I am not clear about exactly what it is) [...] I saw a comment somewhere about whether people felt they are members of the Wikipedia/Wikimedia community. After a number of years, I never have. Partly because (until I stumbled on this page this morning) I never found anywhere I could talk to anyone, and talking is surely the basis for community."

== [http://www.metafilter.com/101461/A-notable-issue-with-Wikipedia A notable issue with Wikipedia] ==

* [http://www.metafilter.com/user/25884 Artw], 1:47 PM, 11 March 2011. (96 comments total) 13 users marked this as a favorite
** "Between 2005 and 2007, newbies started having real trouble successfully joining the Wikimedia community. Before 2005 in the English Wikipedia, nearly 40% of new editors would still be active a year after their first edit. After 2007, only about 12-15% of new editors were still active a year after their first edit. Post-2007, lots of people were still trying to become Wikipedia editors. What had changed, though, is that they were increasingly failing to integrate into the Wikipedia community, and failing increasingly quickly. The Wikimedia community had become too hard to penetrate."

== Requests for assistance ==

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* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052376.html are there enough resources to correct the course?] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado], Fri Jun 5 17:16:24 UTC 2009
** [...] this state of affairs in the Portuguese Wikipedia cannot be tolerated, condoned and supported by the resources of the Wikimedia Foundation, generously provided by volunteers and donors keen on improving the general knowledge and welfare of humankind and not the misguidance of a group that actively or with their silence have taken over the Portuguese Wikipedia. Swift and drastic measures need to be taken to stop this. I believe that as a consequence of the self management of the [Portuguese Wikipedia], it is now being operated and run on a daily basis by a group of people with severe mental, emotional, and behavioral problems, completely out of control and without any kind of supervision and/or regulation. This has been corroborated by several pt-wikipedians. In an attempt to gather a sample of their statements, a non-exhaustive collection was made ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Adeus_Wikip%C3%A9dia]). It was voted for deletion ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:P%C3%A1ginas_para_eliminar/Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Adeus_Wikip%C3%A9dia]) with arguments from both sides that are outright embarrassing. Maintaining the page won by four votes. [See also [http://human-rights-in-cyberspace.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Portuguese_Wikipedia_governance_issues#Adeus_Wikip.C3.A9dia_II]] This voting is just one of many examples of rampant disrespect for the five pillars, occurring, unchallenged, on a regular basis on the Portuguese Wikipedia. Mobbing is practiced matter of factly, and promoted openly on discussion pages. Just for your information, please be aware that I was already harassed on the Portuguese Wikipedia ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Esplanada/Arquivo/2009/Maio#Vapmachado_resmungando_na_lista_de_discuss.C3.A3o_da_Wikimedia_Foundation]) for bringing up this subject on "foundation-l." I was under the threat of banishment ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Vapmachado&oldid=19531470#Aviso_2]) from the pages where this harassment takes place, by the same administrator bureaucrat and member of the of arbitration committee mentioned [...]. When I questioned the voting for violating that Wikipedia is free content, I ended up blocked for six days ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Vapmachado&oldid=19531470#Bloqueio_2]). I don't think that analysis of much of the goings on in the pt:wiki by competent professionals would give it a clean bill of mental health. It's a crazy world, I know, but the project is of an encyclopedia, not a crazypedia (forgive my hyperbole.) "Pero si muove." Certainly, it does, but at what cost, it is my turn to ask. Is it really as impossible to bring a project like this under control, once it gets spinning on its own axis, as it is to stop the Earth from moving? Or are there enough resources to correct the course?
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-November/062378.html I believe I need some serious help] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] Fri Nov 12 23:16:56 UTC 2010
** [...] There is an almost systematic interference by «[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Yanguas Yanguas]», a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Wikip%C3%A9dia:P%C3%A1gina_principal wiki.pt] administrator, with the user pages of the students listed on these two pages (further details available): "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Log%C3%ADstica_2008/Trabalhos_conclu%C3%ADdos Logística 2008/Trabalhos concluídos]" and "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Log%C3%ADstica_2009/Trabalhos_conclu%C3%ADdos Logística 2009/Trabalhos concluídos]" besides my own [http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado&diff=19532251&oldid=19375493 user page]. I would like to know if there is someone willing and able to help with this situation.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062845.html deafening silence], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado], Mon Dec 6 23:41:28 UTC 2010
** What a timely post.[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062844.html] What an opportunity to test the Santa Claus hierarchical structure.[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062818.html] I do feel your pain, but given my extensive experience of bring up all sorts of shenanigans to the attention of this list and meeting the most deafening silence, I'm taking bets on what kind of response you going to get here or anywhere else, including where it would matter most: Commons. The house, as always, has an advantage: it has been already more then three hours since you posted your message and the response has been an overwhelming zero. If you do succeed in bringing any change to Commons through this request of yours, I will follow with a similar one of my own concerning the Brazilian Wikipedia, whose de facto "president" has recently delivered a speech that includes some well oiled quotes like "I'm not a crook."[http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Pedidos_de_opini%C3%A3o/Pedido_de_interven%C3%A7%C3%A3o&diff=prev&oldid=22174526#Ruy_Pugliesi] Actually the place is falling apart from rot: no bureaucrats, no checkusers, and an arbcom which is the epitome of fairness and due procedure, and now under the spell of a steward that lay in waiting for his time to take over. All of you that are believers join me in prayer for the salvation of that project, although I think that is not going to be enough. Things are going to get a lot worse, before they have a chance to get better, if ever. Best of luck to you too, Carolina.[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brazil_Catalyst_Project/Barry_Newstead_Announcement]
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard/Archives/2011-01#Request_to_undelete Request to undelete], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado]
** Please undo all deletions made within the scope of the following log: [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Sir+Lestaty+de+Lioncourt&page=User%3ASir+Lestaty+de+Lioncourt%40ptwiki&month=4&year=2010]. Thank you so very much. [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Vapmachado] 00:02, 24 December 2010 (UTC) '''Background''' Unaware of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:User:Kylu/Essay essay] published in August, 2007, a RfC was open, in late July of 2010, on what is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-public_personal_information public or non-public personal information]. The RfC was announced on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Public_or_non-public_personal_information Oversight talk page]. There are comments on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-public_personal_information RfC talk page] and "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Public_or_non-public_personal_information an anonymized, yet exact copy of the user subpage on pt.wiki to make the discussion possible]." There was also a questioning of the use of Oversight, on it's own talk page, about "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Removing_private_information.2C_that_users_published_themselves.3F Removing private information, that users published themselves?]" The RfC was closed Sept. 19, as announced on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Meta:Babel/Archives/2010-09#Requests_for_comment.2FPublic_or_non-public_personal_information Meta:Babel]. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:User:Vapmachado Vapmachado] 20:42, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-January/063351.html Request for assistance] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] Wed Jan 5 19:15:37 UTC 2011
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado#Updated_request_for_assistance Updated request for assistance] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] 19:55, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
** Please let me know:
::a) why my request for unblock was never answered,
::b) where on page (2) are the occurrences of "harassment,"
::c) if after Dec. 23, "he's just returned to do the same thing that lead him to be blocked in the first instance.",
::d) where are the occurrences of "continued hostile behavior,"
::e) towards what or whom is that "continued hostile behavior,"
::f) why my "interesting history" of "cross-wiki" pioneering achievements is never mentioned, a clear violation of a NPOV in decision making.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-April/065123.html Please give us some links...]
** Fred Bauder Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:47:56 Was there an arbitration case? Or other dispute resolution events? If so, could you share your reactions to the fairness and comprehensiveness of what happened? Please give us some links... Fred
** Virgilio A. P. Machado Sun, 10 Apr 2011 05:37:44 What is the purpose of all those questions? I've always provided that information to this list and if anything ever come out of it, besides being scolded by the list masters for making off-list posts, was to gain a new following of admirers. Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado
** Fred Bauder Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:57:49 The reason to ask is because if there is a problem we might be able to resolve it. At this point I don't know what your problem was or is. You seem to be nursing a grievance; trying to milk it rather than solving it. I'm sorry if I've not paid perfect attention, but I don't think I've got the tone wrong. Fred
** Virgilio A. P. Machado Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:36:10 Of course there are problems, some of them in plain English. Is anybody on this list able to do anything about them? I'm sure there is. That is why I have posted here so many times asking for help. Have I received any help? None whatsoever. It's kind of hard to believe that any assiduous member of this list is totally unaware of my "Request for assistance" posted Jan. 5. That's already more than three months ago. Have I seen any results? You bet. You can see by yourself looking at my Meta talk page from http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado#Block all the way down to the declining of my request to unblock "with an expiry time of infinite", on Jan. 16. Am I nursing a grievance? You bet I am. For three months and still counting. Will I ever forgive? There's nothing to forgive. Will I ever forget? Never. I can assure you that is not in my nature. Once someone gets on my ignore mode it stays there until chickens grow teeth. Am I trying to milk it? There's nothing to milk. I'm not sure of the exact meaning in which that expression was used, but anyway I look at it, it does not seem very relevant. Nevertheless you can bet that I believe that one day the chickens will come home to roost. Except for overlooking a bunch of my previous requests for help, including the one above, it seems you were paying perfect attention and you got my tone wright: "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore! I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about Meta, the Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado)

== "You're an idiot" ==

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* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikipedia-criticism-group-purges-three-critics Wikipedia criticism group purges three critics] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] July 27th, 2010 5:50 pm ET
** "An academic group dedicated to fostering a "critical point of view" as regards Wikipedia has decided to purge three noteworthy Wikipedia critics from its ranks. The crime? They were too critical of Wikipedia."
* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikimedia-foundation-s-boss-gives-orders Wikimedia Foundation's boss gives orders] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] August 4th, 2010 1:23 pm ET
** [http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/001299.html "Seth, you're an idiot."] --[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] January, 2008
** [...] "I have said this many times in the past and will say it many times in the future I am sure: some people need to find a different hobby, because whatever they are here for, it is not to help build an encyclopedia." [...] --[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales talk]) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive330&diff=prev&oldid=173346013 20:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)]
* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikipedia-is-not-the-encyclopedia-anyone-can-edit Wikipedia is not the encyclopedia anyone can edit] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] August 9th, 2010 9:02 am ET
** "Wikipedia may claim as a headline on its very own main page to be "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit", but nothing could be further from the truth. [...] you could be the sweetest, most innocent Wikipedia editor ever to grace its community, but if you choose a user name like "Gbmontreal" or "Rawnuke", you're liable to be blocked (as was the case with these two editor accounts) by a guy like "Orangemike"."

 

 

== Forget altruism ==

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* "[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052819.html antisocial production]", [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Eddie_tejeda Eddie Tejeda], Sat Jun 27 21:57:44 UTC 2009
** 'Forget altruism. Misanthropy and egotism are the fuel of online social production. That's the conclusion suggested by a new study of the character traits of the contributors to Wikipedia. A team of Israeli research psychologists gave personality tests to 69 Wikipedians and 70 non-Wikipedians. They discovered that, as New Scientist puts it,[http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16349-psychologist-finds-wikipedians-grumpy-and-closedminded.html] Wikipedians are generally "grumpy," "disagreeable," and "closed to new ideas."'[http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2009/06/the_sour_wikipe.php]
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052820.html Always knew this], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fred_Bauder Fred Bauder], Sat Jun 27 22:07:15 UTC 2009
** Always knew this, Wikipedia is generally an outlet for folks who have low interpersonal social skills, or at least insufficient outlets for self expression. As to "Disagreeable and closed to new ideas", that is policy, Wikipedia is a compendium of established knowledge, not a place for new ideas, which we call original research.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052823.html it is "policy" to be "disagreeable"]? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Michael_David Marc Riddell], Sat Jun 27 22:27:23 UTC 2009
** C'mon, Fred; it is "policy" to be "disagreeable"?
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052825.html pretty accurate], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fordmadoxfraud David Moran], Sat Jun 27 22:35:25 UTC 2009
** While not exactly science, having gone to more than one Wikipedia picnic to break bread with my fellow contributors ... the conclusions seem pretty accurate to me.

== In Portuguese ==

* [http://diariodawikipedista.blogspot.com/2008/02/friends-forever.html Diário da Wikipedista], ''blog'' de [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:Anne_Valladares Anne Valladares], February 9, 2008
** A [http://bp1.blogger.com/_WDmQBNIv71c/R7SQRuBh05I/AAAAAAAAANc/ibmXEjDKqH8/s1600-h/fredxavier.jpg fotografia] que [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:Anne_Valladares uma wikipedista] mostra de [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:JSSX outro wikipedista]
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipt/2007-December/000424.html From WikiPT], Felipe Micaroni Lalli, December 15th, 2007 2:52 (UTC)
** «Na própria Wikipédia o que se vê nos bastidores é uma disputa de egos sem fim. Eu diria até que numa empresa extremamente capitalista não há tanto corporativismo e tanta deslealdade como na política da Wikipédia.»

== Human rights ==

On December 10, 1948 the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted and proclaimed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [...]. Following this historic act the Assembly called upon all Member countries to publicize the text of the Declaration and "to cause it to be disseminated, displayed, read and expounded principally in schools and other educational institutions, without distinction based on the political status of countries or territories."[http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml]

; Preamble

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

[...] the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

[...]

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

[...]

Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

'''Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS''' as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance [...]

''Article 1''. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

''Article 28''. Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

''Article 29''. (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible. (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society. (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

''Article 30''. Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any [...] group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

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''Article 1''. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

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== [[Human rights in Wikimedia projects]] ==

* "Virgilio, your accusations are outrageous and false to the point of making no coherent sense whatsoever. No one is violating anyone's human rights on Wikipedia. Please stop wasting people's time."--[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#top talk]) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=408766776&oldid=408737421 11:16, 19 January 2011 (UTC)]

== [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page/en&direction=next&oldid=76599 Wikimedia Strategic Planning] ==

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'''[http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:March_2011_Update Talk:March 2011 Update]'''

* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Feedback_from_New_Editors/reply_(29) Feedback from new editors], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Asinthior Asinthior], 14:19, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
** "I've participated in a couple of discussion pages. On one of them an experienced user was downright hostile from the very start. As if I was being a naughty kid or I was disrupting the article on purpose. I hadn't done any changes, I was just suggesting it be done. As I see it I had a logic argument that would suffice anywhere in the world. What they told me (or what I interpreted I was being told) was that according to WP policies my argument meant nothing. I found that profoundly unfair and frustrating. Add to that the fact that this editor were completely uncivil and hostile from the start and it's miracle I'm still here. A second experience was slightly civil. Once again I posted a comment on a discussion page of an article suggesting a change. This time a very civil experienced editor showed me the ropes and give all kinds of information on WP policy to explain why this change was unfitting. I did my homework, followed all the links, read them, ask questions to other users and came back to argue my case just to be confronted with a veiled threat that I was rocking the boat for no good and it may have repercussions. As I've never been blocked before and I don't intend to be, I just gave up. [...] To my surprise I found the editor from the first story I recounted (easily a couple of years after I first crossed paths with him or her) in a wikiquette alert. All administrators participating in the discussion wanted nothing to be done, as this was an experienced user and a new user should know better than upsetting an experienced user."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/New_Users_creating_New_Articles/reply_%2811%29 New users creating new articles], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Flatterworld Flatterworld], 21:06, 12 March 2011
** "You may as well hang out a sign: '''We Hate Non-Nerds!''' and be done with it. Fix the obvious first instead of looking for endless ways to spend more money and time. This. Isn't. Rocket. Science. A few descriptions would solve the problem for 90% of the people. (I '''really''' can't believe no staff or Admin has ever noticed that. That tells you a lot, right there.)
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/case_in_point_%22article_probation.%22 case in point "article probation."], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Decora Decora], 16:13, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
** "I have never heard of this until today. "Article Probation" "The community has placed this article on article probation as specified at Talk:Barack Obama/Article probation. Any addition of content that is not properly sourced, does not conform to Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, or is defamatory will be promptly removed. In addition, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia without any further warning." Imagine how a n00b feels reading that? Dont screw up or we will ban you. Not very inviting. we wont just remove your edit, we will banish you. no discussion, no appeal, no explanation. I have already suggested several times that the Edit Notice (the thing you see right above 'save my edit' button) should include a link to the EFF 'blogger legal guide',and advise people not to post defamatory or libelous material. my suggestion has been routinely ignored"
** "what is 'you may be blocked without further warning'? the idea that violators of rules get to know what they did wrong is a principle as old as the Magna Carta. a good organization does not banish someone without giving a reason. This is a 'redundant regulation'. It is alreayd the policy, under Biography of Living Person, that any material not properly sourced is immediately removed. What is the extra step of banishing the editor? There are already procedures to ban people who have broken the rules repeatedly. You can also simply lock articles for a while. Why the redundancy? The upshot is that, if you want to know what drives people away, its that sort of thing. IMHO. Not a lack of a visual editor or whatever. It's the attitude of 'guilty of bad faith until proven innocent'."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/New_Users_creating_New_Articles/reply_(7) New users creating new articles], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Finell Finell], 09:22, 12 March 2011
** "A lot of experienced editors treat well meaning newbies badly, with nasty edit summaries on their reverts, nasty talk page posts ("Welcome to Wikipedia, thanks for your contribution, but what you wrote is utter nonsense ..."), and overly aggressive use of warning templates."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Another_simple_explanation_of_editing_trends/reply Another simple explanation of editing trends], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:First Light First Light], 04:27, 12 March 2011
** "[...] is the main purpose of Wikipedia [...] to create a welcoming and friendly online community, at which it seems to be failing?"
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Glossary_of_Terms/reply_%283%29 Glossary of Terms], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kerry Raymond Kerry Raymond]], 01:42, 12 March 2011
** "Every time I turn around someone seems to be complaining about something I've done (although I am not clear about exactly what it is) [...] I saw a comment somewhere about whether people felt they are members of the Wikipedia/Wikimedia community. After a number of years, I never have. Partly because (until I stumbled on this page this morning) I never found anywhere I could talk to anyone, and talking is surely the basis for community."

== [http://www.metafilter.com/101461/A-notable-issue-with-Wikipedia A notable issue with Wikipedia] ==

* [http://www.metafilter.com/user/25884 Artw], 1:47 PM, 11 March 2011. (96 comments total) 13 users marked this as a favorite
** "Between 2005 and 2007, newbies started having real trouble successfully joining the Wikimedia community. Before 2005 in the English Wikipedia, nearly 40% of new editors would still be active a year after their first edit. After 2007, only about 12-15% of new editors were still active a year after their first edit. Post-2007, lots of people were still trying to become Wikipedia editors. What had changed, though, is that they were increasingly failing to integrate into the Wikipedia community, and failing increasingly quickly. The Wikimedia community had become too hard to penetrate."

== Requests for assistance ==

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* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052376.html are there enough resources to correct the course?] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado], Fri Jun 5 17:16:24 UTC 2009
** [...] this state of affairs in the Portuguese Wikipedia cannot be tolerated, condoned and supported by the resources of the Wikimedia Foundation, generously provided by volunteers and donors keen on improving the general knowledge and welfare of humankind and not the misguidance of a group that actively or with their silence have taken over the Portuguese Wikipedia. Swift and drastic measures need to be taken to stop this. I believe that as a consequence of the self management of the [Portuguese Wikipedia], it is now being operated and run on a daily basis by a group of people with severe mental, emotional, and behavioral problems, completely out of control and without any kind of supervision and/or regulation. This has been corroborated by several pt-wikipedians. In an attempt to gather a sample of their statements, a non-exhaustive collection was made ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Adeus_Wikip%C3%A9dia]). It was voted for deletion ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:P%C3%A1ginas_para_eliminar/Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Adeus_Wikip%C3%A9dia]) with arguments from both sides that are outright embarrassing. Maintaining the page won by four votes. [See also [http://human-rights-in-cyberspace.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Portuguese_Wikipedia_governance_issues#Adeus_Wikip.C3.A9dia_II]] This voting is just one of many examples of rampant disrespect for the five pillars, occurring, unchallenged, on a regular basis on the Portuguese Wikipedia. Mobbing is practiced matter of factly, and promoted openly on discussion pages. Just for your information, please be aware that I was already harassed on the Portuguese Wikipedia ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Esplanada/Arquivo/2009/Maio#Vapmachado_resmungando_na_lista_de_discuss.C3.A3o_da_Wikimedia_Foundation]) for bringing up this subject on "foundation-l." I was under the threat of banishment ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Vapmachado&oldid=19531470#Aviso_2]) from the pages where this harassment takes place, by the same administrator bureaucrat and member of the of arbitration committee mentioned [...]. When I questioned the voting for violating that Wikipedia is free content, I ended up blocked for six days ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Vapmachado&oldid=19531470#Bloqueio_2]). I don't think that analysis of much of the goings on in the pt:wiki by competent professionals would give it a clean bill of mental health. It's a crazy world, I know, but the project is of an encyclopedia, not a crazypedia (forgive my hyperbole.) "Pero si muove." Certainly, it does, but at what cost, it is my turn to ask. Is it really as impossible to bring a project like this under control, once it gets spinning on its own axis, as it is to stop the Earth from moving? Or are there enough resources to correct the course?
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-November/062378.html I believe I need some serious help] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] Fri Nov 12 23:16:56 UTC 2010
** [...] There is an almost systematic interference by «[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Yanguas Yanguas]», a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Wikip%C3%A9dia:P%C3%A1gina_principal wiki.pt] administrator, with the user pages of the students listed on these two pages (further details available): "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Log%C3%ADstica_2008/Trabalhos_conclu%C3%ADdos Logística 2008/Trabalhos concluídos]" and "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Log%C3%ADstica_2009/Trabalhos_conclu%C3%ADdos Logística 2009/Trabalhos concluídos]" besides my own [http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado&diff=19532251&oldid=19375493 user page]. I would like to know if there is someone willing and able to help with this situation.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062845.html deafening silence], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado], Mon Dec 6 23:41:28 UTC 2010
** What a timely post.[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062844.html] What an opportunity to test the Santa Claus hierarchical structure.[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062818.html] I do feel your pain, but given my extensive experience of bring up all sorts of shenanigans to the attention of this list and meeting the most deafening silence, I'm taking bets on what kind of response you going to get here or anywhere else, including where it would matter most: Commons. The house, as always, has an advantage: it has been already more then three hours since you posted your message and the response has been an overwhelming zero. If you do succeed in bringing any change to Commons through this request of yours, I will follow with a similar one of my own concerning the Brazilian Wikipedia, whose de facto "president" has recently delivered a speech that includes some well oiled quotes like "I'm not a crook."[http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Pedidos_de_opini%C3%A3o/Pedido_de_interven%C3%A7%C3%A3o&diff=prev&oldid=22174526#Ruy_Pugliesi] Actually the place is falling apart from rot: no bureaucrats, no checkusers, and an arbcom which is the epitome of fairness and due procedure, and now under the spell of a steward that lay in waiting for his time to take over. All of you that are believers join me in prayer for the salvation of that project, although I think that is not going to be enough. Things are going to get a lot worse, before they have a chance to get better, if ever. Best of luck to you too, Carolina.[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brazil_Catalyst_Project/Barry_Newstead_Announcement]
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard/Archives/2011-01#Request_to_undelete Request to undelete], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado]
** Please undo all deletions made within the scope of the following log: [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Sir+Lestaty+de+Lioncourt&page=User%3ASir+Lestaty+de+Lioncourt%40ptwiki&month=4&year=2010]. Thank you so very much. [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Vapmachado] 00:02, 24 December 2010 (UTC) '''Background''' Unaware of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:User:Kylu/Essay essay] published in August, 2007, a RfC was open, in late July of 2010, on what is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-public_personal_information public or non-public personal information]. The RfC was announced on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Public_or_non-public_personal_information Oversight talk page]. There are comments on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-public_personal_information RfC talk page] and "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Public_or_non-public_personal_information an anonymized, yet exact copy of the user subpage on pt.wiki to make the discussion possible]." There was also a questioning of the use of Oversight, on it's own talk page, about "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Removing_private_information.2C_that_users_published_themselves.3F Removing private information, that users published themselves?]" The RfC was closed Sept. 19, as announced on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Meta:Babel/Archives/2010-09#Requests_for_comment.2FPublic_or_non-public_personal_information Meta:Babel]. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:User:Vapmachado Vapmachado] 20:42, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-January/063351.html Request for assistance] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] Wed Jan 5 19:15:37 UTC 2011
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado#Updated_request_for_assistance Updated request for assistance] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] 19:55, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
** Please let me know:
::a) why my request for unblock was never answered,
::b) where on page (2) are the occurrences of "harassment,"
::c) if after Dec. 23, "he's just returned to do the same thing that lead him to be blocked in the first instance.",
::d) where are the occurrences of "continued hostile behavior,"
::e) towards what or whom is that "continued hostile behavior,"
::f) why my "interesting history" of "cross-wiki" pioneering achievements is never mentioned, a clear violation of a NPOV in decision making.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-April/065123.html Please give us some links...]
** Fred Bauder Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:47:56 Was there an arbitration case? Or other dispute resolution events? If so, could you share your reactions to the fairness and comprehensiveness of what happened? Please give us some links... Fred
** Virgilio A. P. Machado Sun, 10 Apr 2011 05:37:44 What is the purpose of all those questions? I've always provided that information to this list and if anything ever come out of it, besides being scolded by the list masters for making off-list posts, was to gain a new following of admirers. Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado
** Fred Bauder Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:57:49 The reason to ask is because if there is a problem we might be able to resolve it. At this point I don't know what your problem was or is. You seem to be nursing a grievance; trying to milk it rather than solving it. I'm sorry if I've not paid perfect attention, but I don't think I've got the tone wrong. Fred
** Virgilio A. P. Machado Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:36:10 Of course there are problems, some of them in plain English. Is anybody on this list able to do anything about them? I'm sure there is. That is why I have posted here so many times asking for help. Have I received any help? None whatsoever. It's kind of hard to believe that any assiduous member of this list is totally unaware of my "Request for assistance" posted Jan. 5. That's already more than three months ago. Have I seen any results? You bet. You can see by yourself looking at my Meta talk page from http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado#Block all the way down to the declining of my request to unblock "with an expiry time of infinite", on Jan. 16. Am I nursing a grievance? You bet I am. For three months and still counting. Will I ever forgive? There's nothing to forgive. Will I ever forget? Never. I can assure you that is not in my nature. Once someone gets on my ignore mode it stays there until chickens grow teeth. Am I trying to milk it? There's nothing to milk. I'm not sure of the exact meaning in which that expression was used, but anyway I look at it, it does not seem very relevant. Nevertheless you can bet that I believe that one day the chickens will come home to roost. Except for overlooking a bunch of my previous requests for help, including the one above, it seems you were paying perfect attention and you got my tone wright: "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore! I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about Meta, the Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado)

== "You're an idiot" ==

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* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikipedia-criticism-group-purges-three-critics Wikipedia criticism group purges three critics] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] July 27th, 2010 5:50 pm ET
** "An academic group dedicated to fostering a "critical point of view" as regards Wikipedia has decided to purge three noteworthy Wikipedia critics from its ranks. The crime? They were too critical of Wikipedia."
* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikimedia-foundation-s-boss-gives-orders Wikimedia Foundation's boss gives orders] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] August 4th, 2010 1:23 pm ET
** [http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/001299.html "Seth, you're an idiot."] --[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] January, 2008
** [...] "I have said this many times in the past and will say it many times in the future I am sure: some people need to find a different hobby, because whatever they are here for, it is not to help build an encyclopedia." [...] --[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales talk]) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive330&diff=prev&oldid=173346013 20:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)]
* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikipedia-is-not-the-encyclopedia-anyone-can-edit Wikipedia is not the encyclopedia anyone can edit] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] August 9th, 2010 9:02 am ET
** "Wikipedia may claim as a headline on its very own main page to be "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit", but nothing could be further from the truth. [...] you could be the sweetest, most innocent Wikipedia editor ever to grace its community, but if you choose a user name like "Gbmontreal" or "Rawnuke", you're liable to be blocked (as was the case with these two editor accounts) by a guy like "Orangemike"."

 

 

== Forget altruism ==

* "[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052819.html antisocial production]", [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Eddie_tejeda Eddie Tejeda], Sat Jun 27 21:57:44 UTC 2009
** 'Forget altruism. Misanthropy and egotism are the fuel of online social production. That's the conclusion suggested by a new study of the character traits of the contributors to Wikipedia. A team of Israeli research psychologists gave personality tests to 69 Wikipedians and 70 non-Wikipedians. They discovered that, as New Scientist puts it,[http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16349-psychologist-finds-wikipedians-grumpy-and-closedminded.html] Wikipedians are generally "grumpy," "disagreeable," and "closed to new ideas."'[http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2009/06/the_sour_wikipe.php]
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052820.html Always knew this], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fred_Bauder Fred Bauder], Sat Jun 27 22:07:15 UTC 2009
** Always knew this, Wikipedia is generally an outlet for folks who have low interpersonal social skills, or at least insufficient outlets for self expression. As to "Disagreeable and closed to new ideas", that is policy, Wikipedia is a compendium of established knowledge, not a place for new ideas, which we call original research.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052823.html it is "policy" to be "disagreeable"]? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Michael_David Marc Riddell], Sat Jun 27 22:27:23 UTC 2009
** C'mon, Fred; it is "policy" to be "disagreeable"?
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052825.html pretty accurate], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fordmadoxfraud David Moran], Sat Jun 27 22:35:25 UTC 2009
** While not exactly science, having gone to more than one Wikipedia picnic to break bread with my fellow contributors ... the conclusions seem pretty accurate to me.

== In Portuguese ==

* [http://diariodawikipedista.blogspot.com/2008/02/friends-forever.html Diário da Wikipedista], ''blog'' de [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:Anne_Valladares Anne Valladares], February 9, 2008
** A [http://bp1.blogger.com/_WDmQBNIv71c/R7SQRuBh05I/AAAAAAAAANc/ibmXEjDKqH8/s1600-h/fredxavier.jpg fotografia] que [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:Anne_Valladares uma wikipedista] mostra de [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:JSSX outro wikipedista]
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipt/2007-December/000424.html From WikiPT], Felipe Micaroni Lalli, December 15th, 2007 2:52 (UTC)
** «Na própria Wikipédia o que se vê nos bastidores é uma disputa de egos sem fim. Eu diria até que numa empresa extremamente capitalista não há tanto corporativismo e tanta deslealdade como na política da Wikipédia.»

== Human rights ==

On December 10, 1948 the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted and proclaimed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [...]. Following this historic act the Assembly called upon all Member countries to publicize the text of the Declaration and "to cause it to be disseminated, displayed, read and expounded principally in schools and other educational institutions, without distinction based on the political status of countries or territories."[http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml]

; Preamble

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

[...] the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

[...]

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

[...]

Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

'''Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS''' as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance [...]

''Article 1''. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

''Article 28''. Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

''Article 29''. (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible. (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society. (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

''Article 30''. Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any [...] group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

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<div style="text-align:center;"> <big>'''Welcome to the Human Rights in Cyberspace wiki'''</big> A collaborative community website about Human Rights in Cyberspace that [[Help:Editing|anyone, including you, can edit]]. Click the edit button at the top of any page to get started!



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''Article 1''. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

[[File:Monument of Brotherhood and Unity in Pristina.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Monument of Brotherhood and Unity in Pristina]]

== [[Human rights in Wikimedia projects]] ==

* "Virgilio, your accusations are outrageous and false to the point of making no coherent sense whatsoever. No one is violating anyone's human rights on Wikipedia. Please stop wasting people's time."--[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#top talk]) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=408766776&oldid=408737421 11:16, 19 January 2011 (UTC)]

== [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page/en&direction=next&oldid=76599 Wikimedia Strategic Planning] ==

'''[http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:March_2011_Update Talk:March 2011 Update]'''

* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Feedback_from_New_Editors/reply_(29) Feedback from new editors], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Asinthior Asinthior], 14:19, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
** "I've participated in a couple of discussion pages. On one of them an experienced user was downright hostile from the very start. As if I was being a naughty kid or I was disrupting the article on purpose. I hadn't done any changes, I was just suggesting it be done. As I see it I had a logic argument that would suffice anywhere in the world. What they told me (or what I interpreted I was being told) was that according to WP policies my argument meant nothing. I found that profoundly unfair and frustrating. Add to that the fact that this editor were completely uncivil and hostile from the start and it's miracle I'm still here. A second experience was slightly civil. Once again I posted a comment on a discussion page of an article suggesting a change. This time a very civil experienced editor showed me the ropes and give all kinds of information on WP policy to explain why this change was unfitting. I did my homework, followed all the links, read them, ask questions to other users and came back to argue my case just to be confronted with a veiled threat that I was rocking the boat for no good and it may have repercussions. As I've never been blocked before and I don't intend to be, I just gave up. [...] To my surprise I found the editor from the first story I recounted (easily a couple of years after I first crossed paths with him or her) in a wikiquette alert. All administrators participating in the discussion wanted nothing to be done, as this was an experienced user and a new user should know better than upsetting an experienced user."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/New_Users_creating_New_Articles/reply_%2811%29 New users creating new articles], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Flatterworld Flatterworld], 21:06, 12 March 2011
** "You may as well hang out a sign: '''We Hate Non-Nerds!''' and be done with it. Fix the obvious first instead of looking for endless ways to spend more money and time. This. Isn't. Rocket. Science. A few descriptions would solve the problem for 90% of the people. (I '''really''' can't believe no staff or Admin has ever noticed that. That tells you a lot, right there.)
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/case_in_point_%22article_probation.%22 case in point "article probation."], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Decora Decora], 16:13, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
** "I have never heard of this until today. "Article Probation" "The community has placed this article on article probation as specified at Talk:Barack Obama/Article probation. Any addition of content that is not properly sourced, does not conform to Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, or is defamatory will be promptly removed. In addition, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia without any further warning." Imagine how a n00b feels reading that? Dont screw up or we will ban you. Not very inviting. we wont just remove your edit, we will banish you. no discussion, no appeal, no explanation. I have already suggested several times that the Edit Notice (the thing you see right above 'save my edit' button) should include a link to the EFF 'blogger legal guide',and advise people not to post defamatory or libelous material. my suggestion has been routinely ignored"
** "what is 'you may be blocked without further warning'? the idea that violators of rules get to know what they did wrong is a principle as old as the Magna Carta. a good organization does not banish someone without giving a reason. This is a 'redundant regulation'. It is alreayd the policy, under Biography of Living Person, that any material not properly sourced is immediately removed. What is the extra step of banishing the editor? There are already procedures to ban people who have broken the rules repeatedly. You can also simply lock articles for a while. Why the redundancy? The upshot is that, if you want to know what drives people away, its that sort of thing. IMHO. Not a lack of a visual editor or whatever. It's the attitude of 'guilty of bad faith until proven innocent'."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/New_Users_creating_New_Articles/reply_(7) New users creating new articles], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Finell Finell], 09:22, 12 March 2011
** "A lot of experienced editors treat well meaning newbies badly, with nasty edit summaries on their reverts, nasty talk page posts ("Welcome to Wikipedia, thanks for your contribution, but what you wrote is utter nonsense ..."), and overly aggressive use of warning templates."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Another_simple_explanation_of_editing_trends/reply Another simple explanation of editing trends], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:First Light First Light], 04:27, 12 March 2011
** "[...] is the main purpose of Wikipedia [...] to create a welcoming and friendly online community, at which it seems to be failing?"
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Glossary_of_Terms/reply_%283%29 Glossary of Terms], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kerry Raymond Kerry Raymond]], 01:42, 12 March 2011
** "Every time I turn around someone seems to be complaining about something I've done (although I am not clear about exactly what it is) [...] I saw a comment somewhere about whether people felt they are members of the Wikipedia/Wikimedia community. After a number of years, I never have. Partly because (until I stumbled on this page this morning) I never found anywhere I could talk to anyone, and talking is surely the basis for community."

== [http://www.metafilter.com/101461/A-notable-issue-with-Wikipedia A notable issue with Wikipedia] ==

* [http://www.metafilter.com/user/25884 Artw], 1:47 PM, 11 March 2011. (96 comments total) 13 users marked this as a favorite
** "Between 2005 and 2007, newbies started having real trouble successfully joining the Wikimedia community. Before 2005 in the English Wikipedia, nearly 40% of new editors would still be active a year after their first edit. After 2007, only about 12-15% of new editors were still active a year after their first edit. Post-2007, lots of people were still trying to become Wikipedia editors. What had changed, though, is that they were increasingly failing to integrate into the Wikipedia community, and failing increasingly quickly. The Wikimedia community had become too hard to penetrate."

== Requests for assistance ==

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* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052376.html are there enough resources to correct the course?] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado], Fri Jun 5 17:16:24 UTC 2009
** [...] this state of affairs in the Portuguese Wikipedia cannot be tolerated, condoned and supported by the resources of the Wikimedia Foundation, generously provided by volunteers and donors keen on improving the general knowledge and welfare of humankind and not the misguidance of a group that actively or with their silence have taken over the Portuguese Wikipedia. Swift and drastic measures need to be taken to stop this. I believe that as a consequence of the self management of the [Portuguese Wikipedia], it is now being operated and run on a daily basis by a group of people with severe mental, emotional, and behavioral problems, completely out of control and without any kind of supervision and/or regulation. This has been corroborated by several pt-wikipedians. In an attempt to gather a sample of their statements, a non-exhaustive collection was made ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Adeus_Wikip%C3%A9dia]). It was voted for deletion ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:P%C3%A1ginas_para_eliminar/Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Adeus_Wikip%C3%A9dia]) with arguments from both sides that are outright embarrassing. Maintaining the page won by four votes. [See also [http://human-rights-in-cyberspace.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Portuguese_Wikipedia_governance_issues#Adeus_Wikip.C3.A9dia_II]] This voting is just one of many examples of rampant disrespect for the five pillars, occurring, unchallenged, on a regular basis on the Portuguese Wikipedia. Mobbing is practiced matter of factly, and promoted openly on discussion pages. Just for your information, please be aware that I was already harassed on the Portuguese Wikipedia ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Esplanada/Arquivo/2009/Maio#Vapmachado_resmungando_na_lista_de_discuss.C3.A3o_da_Wikimedia_Foundation]) for bringing up this subject on "foundation-l." I was under the threat of banishment ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Vapmachado&oldid=19531470#Aviso_2]) from the pages where this harassment takes place, by the same administrator bureaucrat and member of the of arbitration committee mentioned [...]. When I questioned the voting for violating that Wikipedia is free content, I ended up blocked for six days ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Vapmachado&oldid=19531470#Bloqueio_2]). I don't think that analysis of much of the goings on in the pt:wiki by competent professionals would give it a clean bill of mental health. It's a crazy world, I know, but the project is of an encyclopedia, not a crazypedia (forgive my hyperbole.) "Pero si muove." Certainly, it does, but at what cost, it is my turn to ask. Is it really as impossible to bring a project like this under control, once it gets spinning on its own axis, as it is to stop the Earth from moving? Or are there enough resources to correct the course?
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-November/062378.html I believe I need some serious help] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] Fri Nov 12 23:16:56 UTC 2010
** [...] There is an almost systematic interference by «[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Yanguas Yanguas]», a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Wikip%C3%A9dia:P%C3%A1gina_principal wiki.pt] administrator, with the user pages of the students listed on these two pages (further details available): "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Log%C3%ADstica_2008/Trabalhos_conclu%C3%ADdos Logística 2008/Trabalhos concluídos]" and "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Log%C3%ADstica_2009/Trabalhos_conclu%C3%ADdos Logística 2009/Trabalhos concluídos]" besides my own [http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado&diff=19532251&oldid=19375493 user page]. I would like to know if there is someone willing and able to help with this situation.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062845.html deafening silence], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado], Mon Dec 6 23:41:28 UTC 2010
** What a timely post.[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062844.html] What an opportunity to test the Santa Claus hierarchical structure.[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062818.html] I do feel your pain, but given my extensive experience of bring up all sorts of shenanigans to the attention of this list and meeting the most deafening silence, I'm taking bets on what kind of response you going to get here or anywhere else, including where it would matter most: Commons. The house, as always, has an advantage: it has been already more then three hours since you posted your message and the response has been an overwhelming zero. If you do succeed in bringing any change to Commons through this request of yours, I will follow with a similar one of my own concerning the Brazilian Wikipedia, whose de facto "president" has recently delivered a speech that includes some well oiled quotes like "I'm not a crook."[http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Pedidos_de_opini%C3%A3o/Pedido_de_interven%C3%A7%C3%A3o&diff=prev&oldid=22174526#Ruy_Pugliesi] Actually the place is falling apart from rot: no bureaucrats, no checkusers, and an arbcom which is the epitome of fairness and due procedure, and now under the spell of a steward that lay in waiting for his time to take over. All of you that are believers join me in prayer for the salvation of that project, although I think that is not going to be enough. Things are going to get a lot worse, before they have a chance to get better, if ever. Best of luck to you too, Carolina.[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brazil_Catalyst_Project/Barry_Newstead_Announcement]
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard/Archives/2011-01#Request_to_undelete Request to undelete], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado]
** Please undo all deletions made within the scope of the following log: [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Sir+Lestaty+de+Lioncourt&page=User%3ASir+Lestaty+de+Lioncourt%40ptwiki&month=4&year=2010]. Thank you so very much. [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Vapmachado] 00:02, 24 December 2010 (UTC) '''Background''' Unaware of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:User:Kylu/Essay essay] published in August, 2007, a RfC was open, in late July of 2010, on what is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-public_personal_information public or non-public personal information]. The RfC was announced on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Public_or_non-public_personal_information Oversight talk page]. There are comments on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-public_personal_information RfC talk page] and "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Public_or_non-public_personal_information an anonymized, yet exact copy of the user subpage on pt.wiki to make the discussion possible]." There was also a questioning of the use of Oversight, on it's own talk page, about "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Removing_private_information.2C_that_users_published_themselves.3F Removing private information, that users published themselves?]" The RfC was closed Sept. 19, as announced on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Meta:Babel/Archives/2010-09#Requests_for_comment.2FPublic_or_non-public_personal_information Meta:Babel]. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:User:Vapmachado Vapmachado] 20:42, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-January/063351.html Request for assistance] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] Wed Jan 5 19:15:37 UTC 2011
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado#Updated_request_for_assistance Updated request for assistance] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] 19:55, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
** Please let me know:
::a) why my request for unblock was never answered,
::b) where on page (2) are the occurrences of "harassment,"
::c) if after Dec. 23, "he's just returned to do the same thing that lead him to be blocked in the first instance.",
::d) where are the occurrences of "continued hostile behavior,"
::e) towards what or whom is that "continued hostile behavior,"
::f) why my "interesting history" of "cross-wiki" pioneering achievements is never mentioned, a clear violation of a NPOV in decision making.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-April/065123.html Please give us some links...]
** Fred Bauder Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:47:56 Was there an arbitration case? Or other dispute resolution events? If so, could you share your reactions to the fairness and comprehensiveness of what happened? Please give us some links... Fred
** Virgilio A. P. Machado Sun, 10 Apr 2011 05:37:44 What is the purpose of all those questions? I've always provided that information to this list and if anything ever come out of it, besides being scolded by the list masters for making off-list posts, was to gain a new following of admirers. Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado
** Fred Bauder Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:57:49 The reason to ask is because if there is a problem we might be able to resolve it. At this point I don't know what your problem was or is. You seem to be nursing a grievance; trying to milk it rather than solving it. I'm sorry if I've not paid perfect attention, but I don't think I've got the tone wrong. Fred
** Virgilio A. P. Machado Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:36:10 Of course there are problems, some of them in plain English. Is anybody on this list able to do anything about them? I'm sure there is. That is why I have posted here so many times asking for help. Have I received any help? None whatsoever. It's kind of hard to believe that any assiduous member of this list is totally unaware of my "Request for assistance" posted Jan. 5. That's already more than three months ago. Have I seen any results? You bet. You can see by yourself looking at my Meta talk page from http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado#Block all the way down to the declining of my request to unblock "with an expiry time of infinite", on Jan. 16. Am I nursing a grievance? You bet I am. For three months and still counting. Will I ever forgive? There's nothing to forgive. Will I ever forget? Never. I can assure you that is not in my nature. Once someone gets on my ignore mode it stays there until chickens grow teeth. Am I trying to milk it? There's nothing to milk. I'm not sure of the exact meaning in which that expression was used, but anyway I look at it, it does not seem very relevant. Nevertheless you can bet that I believe that one day the chickens will come home to roost. Except for overlooking a bunch of my previous requests for help, including the one above, it seems you were paying perfect attention and you got my tone wright: "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore! I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about Meta, the Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado)

== "You're an idiot" ==

[[File:Adrien Barrère25.jpg|thumb|300px|right]]
* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikipedia-criticism-group-purges-three-critics Wikipedia criticism group purges three critics] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] July 27th, 2010 5:50 pm ET
** "An academic group dedicated to fostering a "critical point of view" as regards Wikipedia has decided to purge three noteworthy Wikipedia critics from its ranks. The crime? They were too critical of Wikipedia."
* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikimedia-foundation-s-boss-gives-orders Wikimedia Foundation's boss gives orders] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] August 4th, 2010 1:23 pm ET
** [http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/001299.html "Seth, you're an idiot."] --[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] January, 2008
** [...] "I have said this many times in the past and will say it many times in the future I am sure: some people need to find a different hobby, because whatever they are here for, it is not to help build an encyclopedia." [...] --[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales talk]) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive330&diff=prev&oldid=173346013 20:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)]
* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikipedia-is-not-the-encyclopedia-anyone-can-edit Wikipedia is not the encyclopedia anyone can edit] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] August 9th, 2010 9:02 am ET
** "Wikipedia may claim as a headline on its very own main page to be "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit", but nothing could be further from the truth. [...] you could be the sweetest, most innocent Wikipedia editor ever to grace its community, but if you choose a user name like "Gbmontreal" or "Rawnuke", you're liable to be blocked (as was the case with these two editor accounts) by a guy like "Orangemike"."

 

 

== Forget altruism ==

* "[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052819.html antisocial production]", [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Eddie_tejeda Eddie Tejeda], Sat Jun 27 21:57:44 UTC 2009
** 'Forget altruism. Misanthropy and egotism are the fuel of online social production. That's the conclusion suggested by a new study of the character traits of the contributors to Wikipedia. A team of Israeli research psychologists gave personality tests to 69 Wikipedians and 70 non-Wikipedians. They discovered that, as New Scientist puts it,[http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16349-psychologist-finds-wikipedians-grumpy-and-closedminded.html] Wikipedians are generally "grumpy," "disagreeable," and "closed to new ideas."'[http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2009/06/the_sour_wikipe.php]
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052820.html Always knew this], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fred_Bauder Fred Bauder], Sat Jun 27 22:07:15 UTC 2009
** Always knew this, Wikipedia is generally an outlet for folks who have low interpersonal social skills, or at least insufficient outlets for self expression. As to "Disagreeable and closed to new ideas", that is policy, Wikipedia is a compendium of established knowledge, not a place for new ideas, which we call original research.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052823.html it is "policy" to be "disagreeable"]? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Michael_David Marc Riddell], Sat Jun 27 22:27:23 UTC 2009
** C'mon, Fred; it is "policy" to be "disagreeable"?
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052825.html pretty accurate], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fordmadoxfraud David Moran], Sat Jun 27 22:35:25 UTC 2009
** While not exactly science, having gone to more than one Wikipedia picnic to break bread with my fellow contributors ... the conclusions seem pretty accurate to me.

== In Portuguese ==

* [http://diariodawikipedista.blogspot.com/2008/02/friends-forever.html Diário da Wikipedista], ''blog'' de [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:Anne_Valladares Anne Valladares], February 9, 2008
** A [http://bp1.blogger.com/_WDmQBNIv71c/R7SQRuBh05I/AAAAAAAAANc/ibmXEjDKqH8/s1600-h/fredxavier.jpg fotografia] que [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:Anne_Valladares uma wikipedista] mostra de [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:JSSX outro wikipedista]
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipt/2007-December/000424.html From WikiPT], Felipe Micaroni Lalli, December 15th, 2007 2:52 (UTC)
** «Na própria Wikipédia o que se vê nos bastidores é uma disputa de egos sem fim. Eu diria até que numa empresa extremamente capitalista não há tanto corporativismo e tanta deslealdade como na política da Wikipédia.»

== Human rights ==

On December 10, 1948 the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted and proclaimed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [...]. Following this historic act the Assembly called upon all Member countries to publicize the text of the Declaration and "to cause it to be disseminated, displayed, read and expounded principally in schools and other educational institutions, without distinction based on the political status of countries or territories."[http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml]

; Preamble

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

[...] the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

[...]

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

[...]

Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

'''Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS''' as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance [...]

''Article 1''. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

''Article 28''. Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

''Article 29''. (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible. (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society. (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

''Article 30''. Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any [...] group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

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''Article 1''. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

[[File:Monument of Brotherhood and Unity in Pristina.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Monument of Brotherhood and Unity in Pristina]]

== [[Human rights in Wikimedia projects]] ==

* "Virgilio, your accusations are outrageous and false to the point of making no coherent sense whatsoever. No one is violating anyone's human rights on Wikipedia. Please stop wasting people's time."--[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#top talk]) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=408766776&oldid=408737421 11:16, 19 January 2011 (UTC)]

== [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page/en&direction=next&oldid=76599 Wikimedia Strategic Planning] ==

'''[http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:March_2011_Update Talk:March 2011 Update]'''

* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Feedback_from_New_Editors/reply_(29) Feedback from new editors], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Asinthior Asinthior], 14:19, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
** "I've participated in a couple of discussion pages. On one of them an experienced user was downright hostile from the very start. As if I was being a naughty kid or I was disrupting the article on purpose. I hadn't done any changes, I was just suggesting it be done. As I see it I had a logic argument that would suffice anywhere in the world. What they told me (or what I interpreted I was being told) was that according to WP policies my argument meant nothing. I found that profoundly unfair and frustrating. Add to that the fact that this editor were completely uncivil and hostile from the start and it's miracle I'm still here. A second experience was slightly civil. Once again I posted a comment on a discussion page of an article suggesting a change. This time a very civil experienced editor showed me the ropes and give all kinds of information on WP policy to explain why this change was unfitting. I did my homework, followed all the links, read them, ask questions to other users and came back to argue my case just to be confronted with a veiled threat that I was rocking the boat for no good and it may have repercussions. As I've never been blocked before and I don't intend to be, I just gave up. [...] To my surprise I found the editor from the first story I recounted (easily a couple of years after I first crossed paths with him or her) in a wikiquette alert. All administrators participating in the discussion wanted nothing to be done, as this was an experienced user and a new user should know better than upsetting an experienced user."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/New_Users_creating_New_Articles/reply_%2811%29 New users creating new articles], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Flatterworld Flatterworld], 21:06, 12 March 2011
** "You may as well hang out a sign: '''We Hate Non-Nerds!''' and be done with it. Fix the obvious first instead of looking for endless ways to spend more money and time. This. Isn't. Rocket. Science. A few descriptions would solve the problem for 90% of the people. (I '''really''' can't believe no staff or Admin has ever noticed that. That tells you a lot, right there.)
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/case_in_point_%22article_probation.%22 case in point "article probation."], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Decora Decora], 16:13, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
** "I have never heard of this until today. "Article Probation" "The community has placed this article on article probation as specified at Talk:Barack Obama/Article probation. Any addition of content that is not properly sourced, does not conform to Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, or is defamatory will be promptly removed. In addition, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia without any further warning." Imagine how a n00b feels reading that? Dont screw up or we will ban you. Not very inviting. we wont just remove your edit, we will banish you. no discussion, no appeal, no explanation. I have already suggested several times that the Edit Notice (the thing you see right above 'save my edit' button) should include a link to the EFF 'blogger legal guide',and advise people not to post defamatory or libelous material. my suggestion has been routinely ignored"
** "what is 'you may be blocked without further warning'? the idea that violators of rules get to know what they did wrong is a principle as old as the Magna Carta. a good organization does not banish someone without giving a reason. This is a 'redundant regulation'. It is alreayd the policy, under Biography of Living Person, that any material not properly sourced is immediately removed. What is the extra step of banishing the editor? There are already procedures to ban people who have broken the rules repeatedly. You can also simply lock articles for a while. Why the redundancy? The upshot is that, if you want to know what drives people away, its that sort of thing. IMHO. Not a lack of a visual editor or whatever. It's the attitude of 'guilty of bad faith until proven innocent'."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/New_Users_creating_New_Articles/reply_(7) New users creating new articles], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Finell Finell], 09:22, 12 March 2011
** "A lot of experienced editors treat well meaning newbies badly, with nasty edit summaries on their reverts, nasty talk page posts ("Welcome to Wikipedia, thanks for your contribution, but what you wrote is utter nonsense ..."), and overly aggressive use of warning templates."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Another_simple_explanation_of_editing_trends/reply Another simple explanation of editing trends], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:First Light First Light], 04:27, 12 March 2011
** "[...] is the main purpose of Wikipedia [...] to create a welcoming and friendly online community, at which it seems to be failing?"
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Glossary_of_Terms/reply_%283%29 Glossary of Terms], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kerry Raymond Kerry Raymond]], 01:42, 12 March 2011
** "Every time I turn around someone seems to be complaining about something I've done (although I am not clear about exactly what it is) [...] I saw a comment somewhere about whether people felt they are members of the Wikipedia/Wikimedia community. After a number of years, I never have. Partly because (until I stumbled on this page this morning) I never found anywhere I could talk to anyone, and talking is surely the basis for community."

== [http://www.metafilter.com/101461/A-notable-issue-with-Wikipedia A notable issue with Wikipedia] ==

* [http://www.metafilter.com/user/25884 Artw], 1:47 PM, 11 March 2011. (96 comments total) 13 users marked this as a favorite
** "Between 2005 and 2007, newbies started having real trouble successfully joining the Wikimedia community. Before 2005 in the English Wikipedia, nearly 40% of new editors would still be active a year after their first edit. After 2007, only about 12-15% of new editors were still active a year after their first edit. Post-2007, lots of people were still trying to become Wikipedia editors. What had changed, though, is that they were increasingly failing to integrate into the Wikipedia community, and failing increasingly quickly. The Wikimedia community had become too hard to penetrate."

== Requests for assistance ==

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* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052376.html are there enough resources to correct the course?] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado], Fri Jun 5 17:16:24 UTC 2009
** [...] this state of affairs in the Portuguese Wikipedia cannot be tolerated, condoned and supported by the resources of the Wikimedia Foundation, generously provided by volunteers and donors keen on improving the general knowledge and welfare of humankind and not the misguidance of a group that actively or with their silence have taken over the Portuguese Wikipedia. Swift and drastic measures need to be taken to stop this. I believe that as a consequence of the self management of the [Portuguese Wikipedia], it is now being operated and run on a daily basis by a group of people with severe mental, emotional, and behavioral problems, completely out of control and without any kind of supervision and/or regulation. This has been corroborated by several pt-wikipedians. In an attempt to gather a sample of their statements, a non-exhaustive collection was made ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Adeus_Wikip%C3%A9dia]). It was voted for deletion ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:P%C3%A1ginas_para_eliminar/Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Adeus_Wikip%C3%A9dia]) with arguments from both sides that are outright embarrassing. Maintaining the page won by four votes. [See also [http://human-rights-in-cyberspace.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Portuguese_Wikipedia_governance_issues#Adeus_Wikip.C3.A9dia_II]] This voting is just one of many examples of rampant disrespect for the five pillars, occurring, unchallenged, on a regular basis on the Portuguese Wikipedia. Mobbing is practiced matter of factly, and promoted openly on discussion pages. Just for your information, please be aware that I was already harassed on the Portuguese Wikipedia ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Esplanada/Arquivo/2009/Maio#Vapmachado_resmungando_na_lista_de_discuss.C3.A3o_da_Wikimedia_Foundation]) for bringing up this subject on "foundation-l." I was under the threat of banishment ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Vapmachado&oldid=19531470#Aviso_2]) from the pages where this harassment takes place, by the same administrator bureaucrat and member of the of arbitration committee mentioned [...]. When I questioned the voting for violating that Wikipedia is free content, I ended up blocked for six days ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Vapmachado&oldid=19531470#Bloqueio_2]). I don't think that analysis of much of the goings on in the pt:wiki by competent professionals would give it a clean bill of mental health. It's a crazy world, I know, but the project is of an encyclopedia, not a crazypedia (forgive my hyperbole.) "Pero si muove." Certainly, it does, but at what cost, it is my turn to ask. Is it really as impossible to bring a project like this under control, once it gets spinning on its own axis, as it is to stop the Earth from moving? Or are there enough resources to correct the course?
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-November/062378.html I believe I need some serious help] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] Fri Nov 12 23:16:56 UTC 2010
** [...] There is an almost systematic interference by «[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Yanguas Yanguas]», a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Wikip%C3%A9dia:P%C3%A1gina_principal wiki.pt] administrator, with the user pages of the students listed on these two pages (further details available): "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Log%C3%ADstica_2008/Trabalhos_conclu%C3%ADdos Logística 2008/Trabalhos concluídos]" and "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Log%C3%ADstica_2009/Trabalhos_conclu%C3%ADdos Logística 2009/Trabalhos concluídos]" besides my own [http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado&diff=19532251&oldid=19375493 user page]. I would like to know if there is someone willing and able to help with this situation.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062845.html deafening silence], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado], Mon Dec 6 23:41:28 UTC 2010
** What a timely post.[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062844.html] What an opportunity to test the Santa Claus hierarchical structure.[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062818.html] I do feel your pain, but given my extensive experience of bring up all sorts of shenanigans to the attention of this list and meeting the most deafening silence, I'm taking bets on what kind of response you going to get here or anywhere else, including where it would matter most: Commons. The house, as always, has an advantage: it has been already more then three hours since you posted your message and the response has been an overwhelming zero. If you do succeed in bringing any change to Commons through this request of yours, I will follow with a similar one of my own concerning the Brazilian Wikipedia, whose de facto "president" has recently delivered a speech that includes some well oiled quotes like "I'm not a crook."[http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Pedidos_de_opini%C3%A3o/Pedido_de_interven%C3%A7%C3%A3o&diff=prev&oldid=22174526#Ruy_Pugliesi] Actually the place is falling apart from rot: no bureaucrats, no checkusers, and an arbcom which is the epitome of fairness and due procedure, and now under the spell of a steward that lay in waiting for his time to take over. All of you that are believers join me in prayer for the salvation of that project, although I think that is not going to be enough. Things are going to get a lot worse, before they have a chance to get better, if ever. Best of luck to you too, Carolina.[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brazil_Catalyst_Project/Barry_Newstead_Announcement]
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard/Archives/2011-01#Request_to_undelete Request to undelete], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado]
** Please undo all deletions made within the scope of the following log: [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Sir+Lestaty+de+Lioncourt&page=User%3ASir+Lestaty+de+Lioncourt%40ptwiki&month=4&year=2010]. Thank you so very much. [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Vapmachado] 00:02, 24 December 2010 (UTC) '''Background''' Unaware of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:User:Kylu/Essay essay] published in August, 2007, a RfC was open, in late July of 2010, on what is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-public_personal_information public or non-public personal information]. The RfC was announced on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Public_or_non-public_personal_information Oversight talk page]. There are comments on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-public_personal_information RfC talk page] and "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Public_or_non-public_personal_information an anonymized, yet exact copy of the user subpage on pt.wiki to make the discussion possible]." There was also a questioning of the use of Oversight, on it's own talk page, about "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Removing_private_information.2C_that_users_published_themselves.3F Removing private information, that users published themselves?]" The RfC was closed Sept. 19, as announced on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Meta:Babel/Archives/2010-09#Requests_for_comment.2FPublic_or_non-public_personal_information Meta:Babel]. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:User:Vapmachado Vapmachado] 20:42, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-January/063351.html Request for assistance] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] Wed Jan 5 19:15:37 UTC 2011
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado#Updated_request_for_assistance Updated request for assistance] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] 19:55, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
** Please let me know:
::a) why my request for unblock was never answered,
::b) where on page (2) are the occurrences of "harassment,"
::c) if after Dec. 23, "he's just returned to do the same thing that lead him to be blocked in the first instance.",
::d) where are the occurrences of "continued hostile behavior,"
::e) towards what or whom is that "continued hostile behavior,"
::f) why my "interesting history" of "cross-wiki" pioneering achievements is never mentioned, a clear violation of a NPOV in decision making.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-April/065123.html Please give us some links...]
** Fred Bauder Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:47:56 Was there an arbitration case? Or other dispute resolution events? If so, could you share your reactions to the fairness and comprehensiveness of what happened? Please give us some links... Fred
** Virgilio A. P. Machado Sun, 10 Apr 2011 05:37:44 What is the purpose of all those questions? I've always provided that information to this list and if anything ever come out of it, besides being scolded by the list masters for making off-list posts, was to gain a new following of admirers. Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado
** Fred Bauder Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:57:49 The reason to ask is because if there is a problem we might be able to resolve it. At this point I don't know what your problem was or is. You seem to be nursing a grievance; trying to milk it rather than solving it. I'm sorry if I've not paid perfect attention, but I don't think I've got the tone wrong. Fred
** Virgilio A. P. Machado Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:36:10 Of course there are problems, some of them in plain English. Is anybody on this list able to do anything about them? I'm sure there is. That is why I have posted here so many times asking for help. Have I received any help? None whatsoever. It's kind of hard to believe that any assiduous member of this list is totally unaware of my "Request for assistance" posted Jan. 5. That's already more than three months ago. Have I seen any results? You bet. You can see by yourself looking at my Meta talk page from http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado#Block all the way down to the declining of my request to unblock "with an expiry time of infinite", on Jan. 16. Am I nursing a grievance? You bet I am. For three months and still counting. Will I ever forgive? There's nothing to forgive. Will I ever forget? Never. I can assure you that is not in my nature. Once someone gets on my ignore mode it stays there until chickens grow teeth. Am I trying to milk it? There's nothing to milk. I'm not sure of the exact meaning in which that expression was used, but anyway I look at it, it does not seem very relevant. Nevertheless you can bet that I believe that one day the chickens will come home to roost. Except for overlooking a bunch of my previous requests for help, including the one above, it seems you were paying perfect attention and you got my tone wright: "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore! I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about Meta, the Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado)

== "You're an idiot" ==

[[File:Adrien Barrère25.jpg|thumb|300px|right]]
* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikipedia-criticism-group-purges-three-critics Wikipedia criticism group purges three critics] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] July 27th, 2010 5:50 pm ET
** "An academic group dedicated to fostering a "critical point of view" as regards Wikipedia has decided to purge three noteworthy Wikipedia critics from its ranks. The crime? They were too critical of Wikipedia."
* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikimedia-foundation-s-boss-gives-orders Wikimedia Foundation's boss gives orders] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] August 4th, 2010 1:23 pm ET
** [http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/001299.html "Seth, you're an idiot."] --[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] January, 2008
** [...] "I have said this many times in the past and will say it many times in the future I am sure: some people need to find a different hobby, because whatever they are here for, it is not to help build an encyclopedia." [...] --[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales talk]) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive330&diff=prev&oldid=173346013 20:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)]
* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikipedia-is-not-the-encyclopedia-anyone-can-edit Wikipedia is not the encyclopedia anyone can edit] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] August 9th, 2010 9:02 am ET
** "Wikipedia may claim as a headline on its very own main page to be "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit", but nothing could be further from the truth. [...] you could be the sweetest, most innocent Wikipedia editor ever to grace its community, but if you choose a user name like "Gbmontreal" or "Rawnuke", you're liable to be blocked (as was the case with these two editor accounts) by a guy like "Orangemike"."

== Forget altruism ==

* "[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052819.html antisocial production]", [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Eddie_tejeda Eddie Tejeda], Sat Jun 27 21:57:44 UTC 2009
** 'Forget altruism. Misanthropy and egotism are the fuel of online social production. That's the conclusion suggested by a new study of the character traits of the contributors to Wikipedia. A team of Israeli research psychologists gave personality tests to 69 Wikipedians and 70 non-Wikipedians. They discovered that, as New Scientist puts it,[http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16349-psychologist-finds-wikipedians-grumpy-and-closedminded.html] Wikipedians are generally "grumpy," "disagreeable," and "closed to new ideas."'[http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2009/06/the_sour_wikipe.php]
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052820.html Always knew this], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fred_Bauder Fred Bauder], Sat Jun 27 22:07:15 UTC 2009
** Always knew this, Wikipedia is generally an outlet for folks who have low interpersonal social skills, or at least insufficient outlets for self expression. As to "Disagreeable and closed to new ideas", that is policy, Wikipedia is a compendium of established knowledge, not a place for new ideas, which we call original research.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052823.html it is "policy" to be "disagreeable"]? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Michael_David Marc Riddell], Sat Jun 27 22:27:23 UTC 2009
** C'mon, Fred; it is "policy" to be "disagreeable"?
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052825.html pretty accurate], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fordmadoxfraud David Moran], Sat Jun 27 22:35:25 UTC 2009
** While not exactly science, having gone to more than one Wikipedia picnic to break bread with my fellow contributors ... the conclusions seem pretty accurate to me.

== In Portuguese ==

* [http://diariodawikipedista.blogspot.com/2008/02/friends-forever.html Diário da Wikipedista], ''blog'' de [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:Anne_Valladares Anne Valladares], February 9, 2008
** A [http://bp1.blogger.com/_WDmQBNIv71c/R7SQRuBh05I/AAAAAAAAANc/ibmXEjDKqH8/s1600-h/fredxavier.jpg fotografia] que [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:Anne_Valladares uma wikipedista] mostra de [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:JSSX outro wikipedista]
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipt/2007-December/000424.html From WikiPT], Felipe Micaroni Lalli, December 15th, 2007 2:52 (UTC)
** «Na própria Wikipédia o que se vê nos bastidores é uma disputa de egos sem fim. Eu diria até que numa empresa extremamente capitalista não há tanto corporativismo e tanta deslealdade como na política da Wikipédia.»

== Human rights ==

On December 10, 1948 the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted and proclaimed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [...]. Following this historic act the Assembly called upon all Member countries to publicize the text of the Declaration and "to cause it to be disseminated, displayed, read and expounded principally in schools and other educational institutions, without distinction based on the political status of countries or territories."[http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml]

; Preamble

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

[...] the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

[...]

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

[...]

Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

'''Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS''' as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance [...]

''Article 1''. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

''Article 28''. Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

''Article 29''. (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible. (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society. (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

''Article 30''. Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any [...] group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

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File:Adrien BarrÃ¨re25.jpg

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Vapmachado: Dranem, truly named Armand Menard (1869-1935), was a singular sort of figure of the cafe-concert. Playing the perfect idiot, "he created a liberated personality, an outlet from the repression of all that was moral and sophisticated" (Collectioneur, p. 104

Dranem, truly named Armand Menard (1869-1935), was a singular sort of figure of the cafe-concert. Playing the perfect idiot, "he created a liberated personality, an outlet from the repression of all that was moral and sophisticated" (Collectioneur, p. 104)

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''Article 1''. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

[[File:Monument of Brotherhood and Unity in Pristina.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Monument of Brotherhood and Unity in Pristina]]

== [[Human rights in Wikimedia projects]] ==

* "Virgilio, your accusations are outrageous and false to the point of making no coherent sense whatsoever. No one is violating anyone's human rights on Wikipedia. Please stop wasting people's time."--[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#top talk]) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=408766776&oldid=408737421 11:16, 19 January 2011 (UTC)]

== [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page/en&direction=next&oldid=76599 Wikimedia Strategic Planning] ==

'''[http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:March_2011_Update Talk:March 2011 Update]'''

* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Feedback_from_New_Editors/reply_(29) Feedback from new editors], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Asinthior Asinthior], 14:19, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
** "I've participated in a couple of discussion pages. On one of them an experienced user was downright hostile from the very start. As if I was being a naughty kid or I was disrupting the article on purpose. I hadn't done any changes, I was just suggesting it be done. As I see it I had a logic argument that would suffice anywhere in the world. What they told me (or what I interpreted I was being told) was that according to WP policies my argument meant nothing. I found that profoundly unfair and frustrating. Add to that the fact that this editor were completely uncivil and hostile from the start and it's miracle I'm still here. A second experience was slightly civil. Once again I posted a comment on a discussion page of an article suggesting a change. This time a very civil experienced editor showed me the ropes and give all kinds of information on WP policy to explain why this change was unfitting. I did my homework, followed all the links, read them, ask questions to other users and came back to argue my case just to be confronted with a veiled threat that I was rocking the boat for no good and it may have repercussions. As I've never been blocked before and I don't intend to be, I just gave up. [...] To my surprise I found the editor from the first story I recounted (easily a couple of years after I first crossed paths with him or her) in a wikiquette alert. All administrators participating in the discussion wanted nothing to be done, as this was an experienced user and a new user should know better than upsetting an experienced user."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/New_Users_creating_New_Articles/reply_%2811%29 New users creating new articles], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Flatterworld Flatterworld], 21:06, 12 March 2011
** "You may as well hang out a sign: '''We Hate Non-Nerds!''' and be done with it. Fix the obvious first instead of looking for endless ways to spend more money and time. This. Isn't. Rocket. Science. A few descriptions would solve the problem for 90% of the people. (I '''really''' can't believe no staff or Admin has ever noticed that. That tells you a lot, right there.)
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/case_in_point_%22article_probation.%22 case in point "article probation."], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Decora Decora], 16:13, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
** "I have never heard of this until today. "Article Probation" "The community has placed this article on article probation as specified at Talk:Barack Obama/Article probation. Any addition of content that is not properly sourced, does not conform to Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, or is defamatory will be promptly removed. In addition, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia without any further warning." Imagine how a n00b feels reading that? Dont screw up or we will ban you. Not very inviting. we wont just remove your edit, we will banish you. no discussion, no appeal, no explanation. I have already suggested several times that the Edit Notice (the thing you see right above 'save my edit' button) should include a link to the EFF 'blogger legal guide',and advise people not to post defamatory or libelous material. my suggestion has been routinely ignored"
** "what is 'you may be blocked without further warning'? the idea that violators of rules get to know what they did wrong is a principle as old as the Magna Carta. a good organization does not banish someone without giving a reason. This is a 'redundant regulation'. It is alreayd the policy, under Biography of Living Person, that any material not properly sourced is immediately removed. What is the extra step of banishing the editor? There are already procedures to ban people who have broken the rules repeatedly. You can also simply lock articles for a while. Why the redundancy? The upshot is that, if you want to know what drives people away, its that sort of thing. IMHO. Not a lack of a visual editor or whatever. It's the attitude of 'guilty of bad faith until proven innocent'."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/New_Users_creating_New_Articles/reply_(7) New users creating new articles], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Finell Finell], 09:22, 12 March 2011
** "A lot of experienced editors treat well meaning newbies badly, with nasty edit summaries on their reverts, nasty talk page posts ("Welcome to Wikipedia, thanks for your contribution, but what you wrote is utter nonsense ..."), and overly aggressive use of warning templates."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Another_simple_explanation_of_editing_trends/reply Another simple explanation of editing trends], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:First Light First Light], 04:27, 12 March 2011
** "[...] is the main purpose of Wikipedia [...] to create a welcoming and friendly online community, at which it seems to be failing?"
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Glossary_of_Terms/reply_%283%29 Glossary of Terms], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kerry Raymond Kerry Raymond]], 01:42, 12 March 2011
** "Every time I turn around someone seems to be complaining about something I've done (although I am not clear about exactly what it is) [...] I saw a comment somewhere about whether people felt they are members of the Wikipedia/Wikimedia community. After a number of years, I never have. Partly because (until I stumbled on this page this morning) I never found anywhere I could talk to anyone, and talking is surely the basis for community."

== [http://www.metafilter.com/101461/A-notable-issue-with-Wikipedia A notable issue with Wikipedia] ==

* [http://www.metafilter.com/user/25884 Artw], 1:47 PM, 11 March 2011. (96 comments total) 13 users marked this as a favorite
** "Between 2005 and 2007, newbies started having real trouble successfully joining the Wikimedia community. Before 2005 in the English Wikipedia, nearly 40% of new editors would still be active a year after their first edit. After 2007, only about 12-15% of new editors were still active a year after their first edit. Post-2007, lots of people were still trying to become Wikipedia editors. What had changed, though, is that they were increasingly failing to integrate into the Wikipedia community, and failing increasingly quickly. The Wikimedia community had become too hard to penetrate."

== Requests for assistance ==

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* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052376.html are there enough resources to correct the course?] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado], Fri Jun 5 17:16:24 UTC 2009
** [...] this state of affairs in the Portuguese Wikipedia cannot be tolerated, condoned and supported by the resources of the Wikimedia Foundation, generously provided by volunteers and donors keen on improving the general knowledge and welfare of humankind and not the misguidance of a group that actively or with their silence have taken over the Portuguese Wikipedia. Swift and drastic measures need to be taken to stop this. I believe that as a consequence of the self management of the [Portuguese Wikipedia], it is now being operated and run on a daily basis by a group of people with severe mental, emotional, and behavioral problems, completely out of control and without any kind of supervision and/or regulation. This has been corroborated by several pt-wikipedians. In an attempt to gather a sample of their statements, a non-exhaustive collection was made ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Adeus_Wikip%C3%A9dia]). It was voted for deletion ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:P%C3%A1ginas_para_eliminar/Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Adeus_Wikip%C3%A9dia]) with arguments from both sides that are outright embarrassing. Maintaining the page won by four votes. [See also [http://human-rights-in-cyberspace.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Portuguese_Wikipedia_governance_issues#Adeus_Wikip.C3.A9dia_II]] This voting is just one of many examples of rampant disrespect for the five pillars, occurring, unchallenged, on a regular basis on the Portuguese Wikipedia. Mobbing is practiced matter of factly, and promoted openly on discussion pages. Just for your information, please be aware that I was already harassed on the Portuguese Wikipedia ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Esplanada/Arquivo/2009/Maio#Vapmachado_resmungando_na_lista_de_discuss.C3.A3o_da_Wikimedia_Foundation]) for bringing up this subject on "foundation-l." I was under the threat of banishment ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Vapmachado&oldid=19531470#Aviso_2]) from the pages where this harassment takes place, by the same administrator bureaucrat and member of the of arbitration committee mentioned [...]. When I questioned the voting for violating that Wikipedia is free content, I ended up blocked for six days ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Vapmachado&oldid=19531470#Bloqueio_2]). I don't think that analysis of much of the goings on in the pt:wiki by competent professionals would give it a clean bill of mental health. It's a crazy world, I know, but the project is of an encyclopedia, not a crazypedia (forgive my hyperbole.) "Pero si muove." Certainly, it does, but at what cost, it is my turn to ask. Is it really as impossible to bring a project like this under control, once it gets spinning on its own axis, as it is to stop the Earth from moving? Or are there enough resources to correct the course?
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-November/062378.html I believe I need some serious help] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] Fri Nov 12 23:16:56 UTC 2010
** [...] There is an almost systematic interference by «[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Yanguas Yanguas]», a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Wikip%C3%A9dia:P%C3%A1gina_principal wiki.pt] administrator, with the user pages of the students listed on these two pages (further details available): "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Log%C3%ADstica_2008/Trabalhos_conclu%C3%ADdos Logística 2008/Trabalhos concluídos]" and "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Log%C3%ADstica_2009/Trabalhos_conclu%C3%ADdos Logística 2009/Trabalhos concluídos]" besides my own [http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado&diff=19532251&oldid=19375493 user page]. I would like to know if there is someone willing and able to help with this situation.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062845.html deafening silence], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado], Mon Dec 6 23:41:28 UTC 2010
** What a timely post.[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062844.html] What an opportunity to test the Santa Claus hierarchical structure.[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062818.html] I do feel your pain, but given my extensive experience of bring up all sorts of shenanigans to the attention of this list and meeting the most deafening silence, I'm taking bets on what kind of response you going to get here or anywhere else, including where it would matter most: Commons. The house, as always, has an advantage: it has been already more then three hours since you posted your message and the response has been an overwhelming zero. If you do succeed in bringing any change to Commons through this request of yours, I will follow with a similar one of my own concerning the Brazilian Wikipedia, whose de facto "president" has recently delivered a speech that includes some well oiled quotes like "I'm not a crook."[http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Pedidos_de_opini%C3%A3o/Pedido_de_interven%C3%A7%C3%A3o&diff=prev&oldid=22174526#Ruy_Pugliesi] Actually the place is falling apart from rot: no bureaucrats, no checkusers, and an arbcom which is the epitome of fairness and due procedure, and now under the spell of a steward that lay in waiting for his time to take over. All of you that are believers join me in prayer for the salvation of that project, although I think that is not going to be enough. Things are going to get a lot worse, before they have a chance to get better, if ever. Best of luck to you too, Carolina.[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brazil_Catalyst_Project/Barry_Newstead_Announcement]
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard/Archives/2011-01#Request_to_undelete Request to undelete], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado]
** Please undo all deletions made within the scope of the following log: [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Sir+Lestaty+de+Lioncourt&page=User%3ASir+Lestaty+de+Lioncourt%40ptwiki&month=4&year=2010]. Thank you so very much. [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Vapmachado] 00:02, 24 December 2010 (UTC) '''Background''' Unaware of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:User:Kylu/Essay essay] published in August, 2007, a RfC was open, in late July of 2010, on what is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-public_personal_information public or non-public personal information]. The RfC was announced on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Public_or_non-public_personal_information Oversight talk page]. There are comments on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-public_personal_information RfC talk page] and "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Public_or_non-public_personal_information an anonymized, yet exact copy of the user subpage on pt.wiki to make the discussion possible]." There was also a questioning of the use of Oversight, on it's own talk page, about "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Removing_private_information.2C_that_users_published_themselves.3F Removing private information, that users published themselves?]" The RfC was closed Sept. 19, as announced on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Meta:Babel/Archives/2010-09#Requests_for_comment.2FPublic_or_non-public_personal_information Meta:Babel]. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:User:Vapmachado Vapmachado] 20:42, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-January/063351.html Request for assistance] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] Wed Jan 5 19:15:37 UTC 2011
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado#Updated_request_for_assistance Updated request for assistance] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] 19:55, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
** Please let me know:
::a) why my request for unblock was never answered,
::b) where on page (2) are the occurrences of "harassment,"
::c) if after Dec. 23, "he's just returned to do the same thing that lead him to be blocked in the first instance.",
::d) where are the occurrences of "continued hostile behavior,"
::e) towards what or whom is that "continued hostile behavior,"
::f) why my "interesting history" of "cross-wiki" pioneering achievements is never mentioned, a clear violation of a NPOV in decision making.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-April/065123.html Please give us some links...]
** Fred Bauder Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:47:56 Was there an arbitration case? Or other dispute resolution events? If so, could you share your reactions to the fairness and comprehensiveness of what happened? Please give us some links... Fred
** Virgilio A. P. Machado Sun, 10 Apr 2011 05:37:44 What is the purpose of all those questions? I've always provided that information to this list and if anything ever come out of it, besides being scolded by the list masters for making off-list posts, was to gain a new following of admirers. Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado
** Fred Bauder Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:57:49 The reason to ask is because if there is a problem we might be able to resolve it. At this point I don't know what your problem was or is. You seem to be nursing a grievance; trying to milk it rather than solving it. I'm sorry if I've not paid perfect attention, but I don't think I've got the tone wrong. Fred
** Virgilio A. P. Machado Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:36:10 Of course there are problems, some of them in plain English. Is anybody on this list able to do anything about them? I'm sure there is. That is why I have posted here so many times asking for help. Have I received any help? None whatsoever. It's kind of hard to believe that any assiduous member of this list is totally unaware of my "Request for assistance" posted Jan. 5. That's already more than three months ago. Have I seen any results? You bet. You can see by yourself looking at my Meta talk page from http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado#Block all the way down to the declining of my request to unblock "with an expiry time of infinite", on Jan. 16. Am I nursing a grievance? You bet I am. For three months and still counting. Will I ever forgive? There's nothing to forgive. Will I ever forget? Never. I can assure you that is not in my nature. Once someone gets on my ignore mode it stays there until chickens grow teeth. Am I trying to milk it? There's nothing to milk. I'm not sure of the exact meaning in which that expression was used, but anyway I look at it, it does not seem very relevant. Nevertheless you can bet that I believe that one day the chickens will come home to roost. Except for overlooking a bunch of my previous requests for help, including the one above, it seems you were paying perfect attention and you got my tone wright: "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore! I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about Meta, the Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado)

== "You're an idiot" ==

* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikipedia-is-not-the-encyclopedia-anyone-can-edit Wikipedia is not the encyclopedia anyone can edit] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] August 9th, 2010 9:02 am ET
** "Wikipedia may claim as a headline on its very own main page to be "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit", but nothing could be further from the truth. [...] you could be the sweetest, most innocent Wikipedia editor ever to grace its community, but if you choose a user name like "Gbmontreal" or "Rawnuke", you're liable to be blocked (as was the case with these two editor accounts) by a guy like "Orangemike"."
* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikimedia-foundation-s-boss-gives-orders Wikimedia Foundation's boss gives orders] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] August 4th, 2010 1:23 pm ET
** [http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/001299.html "Seth, you're an idiot."] --[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] January, 2008
** [...] "I have said this many times in the past and will say it many times in the future I am sure: some people need to find a different hobby, because whatever they are here for, it is not to help build an encyclopedia." [...] --[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales talk]) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive330&diff=prev&oldid=173346013 20:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)]
* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikipedia-criticism-group-purges-three-critics Wikipedia criticism group purges three critics] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] July 27th, 2010 5:50 pm ET
** "An academic group dedicated to fostering a "critical point of view" as regards Wikipedia has decided to purge three noteworthy Wikipedia critics from its ranks. The crime? They were too critical of Wikipedia."

== Forget altruism ==

* "[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052819.html antisocial production]", [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Eddie_tejeda Eddie Tejeda], Sat Jun 27 21:57:44 UTC 2009
** 'Forget altruism. Misanthropy and egotism are the fuel of online social production. That's the conclusion suggested by a new study of the character traits of the contributors to Wikipedia. A team of Israeli research psychologists gave personality tests to 69 Wikipedians and 70 non-Wikipedians. They discovered that, as New Scientist puts it,[http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16349-psychologist-finds-wikipedians-grumpy-and-closedminded.html] Wikipedians are generally "grumpy," "disagreeable," and "closed to new ideas."'[http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2009/06/the_sour_wikipe.php]
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052820.html Always knew this], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fred_Bauder Fred Bauder], Sat Jun 27 22:07:15 UTC 2009
** Always knew this, Wikipedia is generally an outlet for folks who have low interpersonal social skills, or at least insufficient outlets for self expression. As to "Disagreeable and closed to new ideas", that is policy, Wikipedia is a compendium of established knowledge, not a place for new ideas, which we call original research.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052823.html it is "policy" to be "disagreeable"]? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Michael_David Marc Riddell], Sat Jun 27 22:27:23 UTC 2009
** C'mon, Fred; it is "policy" to be "disagreeable"?
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052825.html pretty accurate], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fordmadoxfraud David Moran], Sat Jun 27 22:35:25 UTC 2009
** While not exactly science, having gone to more than one Wikipedia picnic to break bread with my fellow contributors ... the conclusions seem pretty accurate to me.

== In Portuguese ==

* [http://diariodawikipedista.blogspot.com/2008/02/friends-forever.html Diário da Wikipedista], ''blog'' de [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:Anne_Valladares Anne Valladares], February 9, 2008
** A [http://bp1.blogger.com/_WDmQBNIv71c/R7SQRuBh05I/AAAAAAAAANc/ibmXEjDKqH8/s1600-h/fredxavier.jpg fotografia] que [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:Anne_Valladares uma wikipedista] mostra de [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:JSSX outro wikipedista]
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipt/2007-December/000424.html From WikiPT], Felipe Micaroni Lalli, December 15th, 2007 2:52 (UTC)
** «Na própria Wikipédia o que se vê nos bastidores é uma disputa de egos sem fim. Eu diria até que numa empresa extremamente capitalista não há tanto corporativismo e tanta deslealdade como na política da Wikipédia.»

== Human rights ==

On December 10, 1948 the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted and proclaimed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [...]. Following this historic act the Assembly called upon all Member countries to publicize the text of the Declaration and "to cause it to be disseminated, displayed, read and expounded principally in schools and other educational institutions, without distinction based on the political status of countries or territories."[http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml]

; Preamble

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

[...] the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

[...]

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

[...]

Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

'''Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS''' as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance [...]

''Article 1''. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

''Article 28''. Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

''Article 29''. (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible. (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society. (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

''Article 30''. Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any [...] group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

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''Article 1''. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

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== [[Human rights in Wikimedia projects]] ==

* "Virgilio, your accusations are outrageous and false to the point of making no coherent sense whatsoever. No one is violating anyone's human rights on Wikipedia. Please stop wasting people's time."--[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#top talk]) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=408766776&oldid=408737421 11:16, 19 January 2011 (UTC)]

== [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page/en&direction=next&oldid=76599 Wikimedia Strategic Planning] ==

'''[http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:March_2011_Update Talk:March 2011 Update]'''

* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Feedback_from_New_Editors/reply_(29) Feedback from new editors], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Asinthior Asinthior], 14:19, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
** "I've participated in a couple of discussion pages. On one of them an experienced user was downright hostile from the very start. As if I was being a naughty kid or I was disrupting the article on purpose. I hadn't done any changes, I was just suggesting it be done. As I see it I had a logic argument that would suffice anywhere in the world. What they told me (or what I interpreted I was being told) was that according to WP policies my argument meant nothing. I found that profoundly unfair and frustrating. Add to that the fact that this editor were completely uncivil and hostile from the start and it's miracle I'm still here. A second experience was slightly civil. Once again I posted a comment on a discussion page of an article suggesting a change. This time a very civil experienced editor showed me the ropes and give all kinds of information on WP policy to explain why this change was unfitting. I did my homework, followed all the links, read them, ask questions to other users and came back to argue my case just to be confronted with a veiled threat that I was rocking the boat for no good and it may have repercussions. As I've never been blocked before and I don't intend to be, I just gave up. [...] To my surprise I found the editor from the first story I recounted (easily a couple of years after I first crossed paths with him or her) in a wikiquette alert. All administrators participating in the discussion wanted nothing to be done, as this was an experienced user and a new user should know better than upsetting an experienced user."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/New_Users_creating_New_Articles/reply_%2811%29 New users creating new articles], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Flatterworld Flatterworld], 21:06, 12 March 2011
** "You may as well hang out a sign: '''We Hate Non-Nerds!''' and be done with it. Fix the obvious first instead of looking for endless ways to spend more money and time. This. Isn't. Rocket. Science. A few descriptions would solve the problem for 90% of the people. (I '''really''' can't believe no staff or Admin has ever noticed that. That tells you a lot, right there.)
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/case_in_point_%22article_probation.%22 case in point "article probation."], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Decora Decora], 16:13, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
** "I have never heard of this until today. "Article Probation" "The community has placed this article on article probation as specified at Talk:Barack Obama/Article probation. Any addition of content that is not properly sourced, does not conform to Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, or is defamatory will be promptly removed. In addition, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia without any further warning." Imagine how a n00b feels reading that? Dont screw up or we will ban you. Not very inviting. we wont just remove your edit, we will banish you. no discussion, no appeal, no explanation. I have already suggested several times that the Edit Notice (the thing you see right above 'save my edit' button) should include a link to the EFF 'blogger legal guide',and advise people not to post defamatory or libelous material. my suggestion has been routinely ignored"
** "what is 'you may be blocked without further warning'? the idea that violators of rules get to know what they did wrong is a principle as old as the Magna Carta. a good organization does not banish someone without giving a reason. This is a 'redundant regulation'. It is alreayd the policy, under Biography of Living Person, that any material not properly sourced is immediately removed. What is the extra step of banishing the editor? There are already procedures to ban people who have broken the rules repeatedly. You can also simply lock articles for a while. Why the redundancy? The upshot is that, if you want to know what drives people away, its that sort of thing. IMHO. Not a lack of a visual editor or whatever. It's the attitude of 'guilty of bad faith until proven innocent'."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/New_Users_creating_New_Articles/reply_(7) New users creating new articles], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Finell Finell], 09:22, 12 March 2011
** "A lot of experienced editors treat well meaning newbies badly, with nasty edit summaries on their reverts, nasty talk page posts ("Welcome to Wikipedia, thanks for your contribution, but what you wrote is utter nonsense ..."), and overly aggressive use of warning templates."
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Another_simple_explanation_of_editing_trends/reply Another simple explanation of editing trends], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:First Light First Light], 04:27, 12 March 2011
** "[...] is the main purpose of Wikipedia [...] to create a welcoming and friendly online community, at which it seems to be failing?"
* [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:March_2011_Update/Glossary_of_Terms/reply_%283%29 Glossary of Terms], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kerry Raymond Kerry Raymond]], 01:42, 12 March 2011
** "Every time I turn around someone seems to be complaining about something I've done (although I am not clear about exactly what it is) [...] I saw a comment somewhere about whether people felt they are members of the Wikipedia/Wikimedia community. After a number of years, I never have. Partly because (until I stumbled on this page this morning) I never found anywhere I could talk to anyone, and talking is surely the basis for community."

== [http://www.metafilter.com/101461/A-notable-issue-with-Wikipedia A notable issue with Wikipedia] ==

* [http://www.metafilter.com/user/25884 Artw], 1:47 PM, 11 March 2011. (96 comments total) 13 users marked this as a favorite
** "Between 2005 and 2007, newbies started having real trouble successfully joining the Wikimedia community. Before 2005 in the English Wikipedia, nearly 40% of new editors would still be active a year after their first edit. After 2007, only about 12-15% of new editors were still active a year after their first edit. Post-2007, lots of people were still trying to become Wikipedia editors. What had changed, though, is that they were increasingly failing to integrate into the Wikipedia community, and failing increasingly quickly. The Wikimedia community had become too hard to penetrate."

== Requests for assistance ==

* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052376.html are there enough resources to correct the course?] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado], Fri Jun 5 17:16:24 UTC 2009
** [...] this state of affairs in the Portuguese Wikipedia cannot be tolerated, condoned and supported by the resources of the Wikimedia Foundation, generously provided by volunteers and donors keen on improving the general knowledge and welfare of humankind and not the misguidance of a group that actively or with their silence have taken over the Portuguese Wikipedia. Swift and drastic measures need to be taken to stop this. I believe that as a consequence of the self management of the [Portuguese Wikipedia], it is now being operated and run on a daily basis by a group of people with severe mental, emotional, and behavioral problems, completely out of control and without any kind of supervision and/or regulation. This has been corroborated by several pt-wikipedians. In an attempt to gather a sample of their statements, a non-exhaustive collection was made ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Adeus_Wikip%C3%A9dia]). It was voted for deletion ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:P%C3%A1ginas_para_eliminar/Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Adeus_Wikip%C3%A9dia]) with arguments from both sides that are outright embarrassing. Maintaining the page won by four votes. [See also [http://human-rights-in-cyberspace.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Portuguese_Wikipedia_governance_issues#Adeus_Wikip.C3.A9dia_II]] This voting is just one of many examples of rampant disrespect for the five pillars, occurring, unchallenged, on a regular basis on the Portuguese Wikipedia. Mobbing is practiced matter of factly, and promoted openly on discussion pages. Just for your information, please be aware that I was already harassed on the Portuguese Wikipedia ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Esplanada/Arquivo/2009/Maio#Vapmachado_resmungando_na_lista_de_discuss.C3.A3o_da_Wikimedia_Foundation]) for bringing up this subject on "foundation-l." I was under the threat of banishment ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Vapmachado&oldid=19531470#Aviso_2]) from the pages where this harassment takes place, by the same administrator bureaucrat and member of the of arbitration committee mentioned [...]. When I questioned the voting for violating that Wikipedia is free content, I ended up blocked for six days ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Vapmachado&oldid=19531470#Bloqueio_2]). I don't think that analysis of much of the goings on in the pt:wiki by competent professionals would give it a clean bill of mental health. It's a crazy world, I know, but the project is of an encyclopedia, not a crazypedia (forgive my hyperbole.) "Pero si muove." Certainly, it does, but at what cost, it is my turn to ask. Is it really as impossible to bring a project like this under control, once it gets spinning on its own axis, as it is to stop the Earth from moving? Or are there enough resources to correct the course?
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-November/062378.html I believe I need some serious help] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] Fri Nov 12 23:16:56 UTC 2010
** [...] There is an almost systematic interference by «[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Yanguas Yanguas]», a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Wikip%C3%A9dia:P%C3%A1gina_principal wiki.pt] administrator, with the user pages of the students listed on these two pages (further details available): "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Log%C3%ADstica_2008/Trabalhos_conclu%C3%ADdos Logística 2008/Trabalhos concluídos]" and "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pt:Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Log%C3%ADstica_2009/Trabalhos_conclu%C3%ADdos Logística 2009/Trabalhos concluídos]" besides my own [http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado&diff=19532251&oldid=19375493 user page]. I would like to know if there is someone willing and able to help with this situation.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062845.html deafening silence], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado], Mon Dec 6 23:41:28 UTC 2010
** What a timely post.[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062844.html] What an opportunity to test the Santa Claus hierarchical structure.[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062818.html] I do feel your pain, but given my extensive experience of bring up all sorts of shenanigans to the attention of this list and meeting the most deafening silence, I'm taking bets on what kind of response you going to get here or anywhere else, including where it would matter most: Commons. The house, as always, has an advantage: it has been already more then three hours since you posted your message and the response has been an overwhelming zero. If you do succeed in bringing any change to Commons through this request of yours, I will follow with a similar one of my own concerning the Brazilian Wikipedia, whose de facto "president" has recently delivered a speech that includes some well oiled quotes like "I'm not a crook."[http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Pedidos_de_opini%C3%A3o/Pedido_de_interven%C3%A7%C3%A3o&diff=prev&oldid=22174526#Ruy_Pugliesi] Actually the place is falling apart from rot: no bureaucrats, no checkusers, and an arbcom which is the epitome of fairness and due procedure, and now under the spell of a steward that lay in waiting for his time to take over. All of you that are believers join me in prayer for the salvation of that project, although I think that is not going to be enough. Things are going to get a lot worse, before they have a chance to get better, if ever. Best of luck to you too, Carolina.[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brazil_Catalyst_Project/Barry_Newstead_Announcement]
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard/Archives/2011-01#Request_to_undelete Request to undelete], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado]
** Please undo all deletions made within the scope of the following log: [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Sir+Lestaty+de+Lioncourt&page=User%3ASir+Lestaty+de+Lioncourt%40ptwiki&month=4&year=2010]. Thank you so very much. [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Vapmachado] 00:02, 24 December 2010 (UTC) '''Background''' Unaware of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:User:Kylu/Essay essay] published in August, 2007, a RfC was open, in late July of 2010, on what is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-public_personal_information public or non-public personal information]. The RfC was announced on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Public_or_non-public_personal_information Oversight talk page]. There are comments on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-public_personal_information RfC talk page] and "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Public_or_non-public_personal_information an anonymized, yet exact copy of the user subpage on pt.wiki to make the discussion possible]." There was also a questioning of the use of Oversight, on it's own talk page, about "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Talk:Oversight#Removing_private_information.2C_that_users_published_themselves.3F Removing private information, that users published themselves?]" The RfC was closed Sept. 19, as announced on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Meta:Babel/Archives/2010-09#Requests_for_comment.2FPublic_or_non-public_personal_information Meta:Babel]. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:User:Vapmachado Vapmachado] 20:42, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-January/063351.html Request for assistance] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] Wed Jan 5 19:15:37 UTC 2011
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado#Updated_request_for_assistance Updated request for assistance] [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Virgilio A. P. Machado] 19:55, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
** Please let me know:
::a) why my request for unblock was never answered,
::b) where on page (2) are the occurrences of "harassment,"
::c) if after Dec. 23, "he's just returned to do the same thing that lead him to be blocked in the first instance.",
::d) where are the occurrences of "continued hostile behavior,"
::e) towards what or whom is that "continued hostile behavior,"
::f) why my "interesting history" of "cross-wiki" pioneering achievements is never mentioned, a clear violation of a NPOV in decision making.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-April/065123.html Please give us some links...]
** Fred Bauder Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:47:56 Was there an arbitration case? Or other dispute resolution events? If so, could you share your reactions to the fairness and comprehensiveness of what happened? Please give us some links... Fred
** Virgilio A. P. Machado Sun, 10 Apr 2011 05:37:44 What is the purpose of all those questions? I've always provided that information to this list and if anything ever come out of it, besides being scolded by the list masters for making off-list posts, was to gain a new following of admirers. Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado
** Fred Bauder Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:57:49 The reason to ask is because if there is a problem we might be able to resolve it. At this point I don't know what your problem was or is. You seem to be nursing a grievance; trying to milk it rather than solving it. I'm sorry if I've not paid perfect attention, but I don't think I've got the tone wrong. Fred
** Virgilio A. P. Machado Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:36:10 Of course there are problems, some of them in plain English. Is anybody on this list able to do anything about them? I'm sure there is. That is why I have posted here so many times asking for help. Have I received any help? None whatsoever. It's kind of hard to believe that any assiduous member of this list is totally unaware of my "Request for assistance" posted Jan. 5. That's already more than three months ago. Have I seen any results? You bet. You can see by yourself looking at my Meta talk page from http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado#Block all the way down to the declining of my request to unblock "with an expiry time of infinite", on Jan. 16. Am I nursing a grievance? You bet I am. For three months and still counting. Will I ever forgive? There's nothing to forgive. Will I ever forget? Never. I can assure you that is not in my nature. Once someone gets on my ignore mode it stays there until chickens grow teeth. Am I trying to milk it? There's nothing to milk. I'm not sure of the exact meaning in which that expression was used, but anyway I look at it, it does not seem very relevant. Nevertheless you can bet that I believe that one day the chickens will come home to roost. Except for overlooking a bunch of my previous requests for help, including the one above, it seems you were paying perfect attention and you got my tone wright: "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore! I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about Meta, the Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado)

== "You're an idiot" ==

* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikipedia-is-not-the-encyclopedia-anyone-can-edit Wikipedia is not the encyclopedia anyone can edit] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] August 9th, 2010 9:02 am ET
** "Wikipedia may claim as a headline on its very own main page to be "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit", but nothing could be further from the truth. [...] you could be the sweetest, most innocent Wikipedia editor ever to grace its community, but if you choose a user name like "Gbmontreal" or "Rawnuke", you're liable to be blocked (as was the case with these two editor accounts) by a guy like "Orangemike"."
* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikimedia-foundation-s-boss-gives-orders Wikimedia Foundation's boss gives orders] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] August 4th, 2010 1:23 pm ET
** [http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/001299.html "Seth, you're an idiot."] --[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] January, 2008
** [...] "I have said this many times in the past and will say it many times in the future I am sure: some people need to find a different hobby, because whatever they are here for, it is not to help build an encyclopedia." [...] --[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Jimbo Wales] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales talk]) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive330&diff=prev&oldid=173346013 20:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)]
* [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikipedia-criticism-group-purges-three-critics Wikipedia criticism group purges three critics] [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Gregory Kohs] July 27th, 2010 5:50 pm ET
** "An academic group dedicated to fostering a "critical point of view" as regards Wikipedia has decided to purge three noteworthy Wikipedia critics from its ranks. The crime? They were too critical of Wikipedia."

== Forget altruism ==

* "[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052819.html antisocial production]", [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Eddie_tejeda Eddie Tejeda], Sat Jun 27 21:57:44 UTC 2009
** 'Forget altruism. Misanthropy and egotism are the fuel of online social production. That's the conclusion suggested by a new study of the character traits of the contributors to Wikipedia. A team of Israeli research psychologists gave personality tests to 69 Wikipedians and 70 non-Wikipedians. They discovered that, as New Scientist puts it,[http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16349-psychologist-finds-wikipedians-grumpy-and-closedminded.html] Wikipedians are generally "grumpy," "disagreeable," and "closed to new ideas."'[http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2009/06/the_sour_wikipe.php]
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052820.html Always knew this], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fred_Bauder Fred Bauder], Sat Jun 27 22:07:15 UTC 2009
** Always knew this, Wikipedia is generally an outlet for folks who have low interpersonal social skills, or at least insufficient outlets for self expression. As to "Disagreeable and closed to new ideas", that is policy, Wikipedia is a compendium of established knowledge, not a place for new ideas, which we call original research.
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052823.html it is "policy" to be "disagreeable"]? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Michael_David Marc Riddell], Sat Jun 27 22:27:23 UTC 2009
** C'mon, Fred; it is "policy" to be "disagreeable"?
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052825.html pretty accurate], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fordmadoxfraud David Moran], Sat Jun 27 22:35:25 UTC 2009
** While not exactly science, having gone to more than one Wikipedia picnic to break bread with my fellow contributors ... the conclusions seem pretty accurate to me.

== In Portuguese ==

* [http://diariodawikipedista.blogspot.com/2008/02/friends-forever.html Diário da Wikipedista], ''blog'' de [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:Anne_Valladares Anne Valladares], February 9, 2008
** A [http://bp1.blogger.com/_WDmQBNIv71c/R7SQRuBh05I/AAAAAAAAANc/ibmXEjDKqH8/s1600-h/fredxavier.jpg fotografia] que [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:Anne_Valladares uma wikipedista] mostra de [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuário:JSSX outro wikipedista]
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipt/2007-December/000424.html From WikiPT], Felipe Micaroni Lalli, December 15th, 2007 2:52 (UTC)
** «Na própria Wikipédia o que se vê nos bastidores é uma disputa de egos sem fim. Eu diria até que numa empresa extremamente capitalista não há tanto corporativismo e tanta deslealdade como na política da Wikipédia.»

== Human rights ==

On December 10, 1948 the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted and proclaimed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [...]. Following this historic act the Assembly called upon all Member countries to publicize the text of the Declaration and "to cause it to be disseminated, displayed, read and expounded principally in schools and other educational institutions, without distinction based on the political status of countries or territories."[http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml]

; Preamble

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

[...] the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

[...]

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

[...]

Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

'''Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS''' as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance [...]

''Article 1''. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

''Article 28''. Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

''Article 29''. (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible. (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society. (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

''Article 30''. Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any [...] group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

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<div style="text-align:center;"> <big>'''Welcome to the Human Rights in Cyberspace wiki'''</big> A collaborative community website about Human Rights in Cyberspace that [[Help:Editing|anyone, including you, can edit]]. Click the edit button at the top of any page to get started!



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; [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia Meta-Wiki] and [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_projects other wikis]
* [[A civilized community]]
* [[Metaphors for Wikimedia projects]]
* [[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/A tale of two drivers|A tale of two drivers]]
* [[Universal Declaration of Human Rights|Human rights]]
* [[Human rights in Wikimedia projects]]
* [[You only have two legal rights on Wikipedia]]
* [[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/Lack of brotherhood spirit and Wikimedia|Lack of brotherhood spirit and Wikimedia]]
* [[Racism and Wikipedia|Racism]]
* [[Sexism and Wikipedia|Sexism]]
* [[Disabilities and Wikipedia|Disabled not welcome]]
* [[No fair and public hearing]]
* [[Child pornography and Wikipedia|Child pornography]]
* [[Honor and reputation attacks]]
* [[Freedom of dominion and repression]]
* [[Child labor]]

{{col-2}}
; [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:P%C3%A1gina_principal Brazilian Wikipedia]
* [[My user page on the Brazilian Wikipédia|My user page]]
* [[There is no such thing as a free lunch]]
* [[Talk:There is no such thing as a free lunch]]
* [[The crusaders against education I]]
* [[Talk:The crusaders against education I]]
* [[Wikipédia Quem é Quem]]
* [[Portuguese Wikipedia governance issues]]
* [[Talk:Portuguese Wikipedia governance issues]]
* [[Portuguese Wikipedia language issues]]
* [[Talk:Portuguese Wikipedia language issues]]
* [[Wikiconmedia in Portugal]]
* [[Wikiconmedia in Brazil]]
* [[That PiTiful Wiki list]]
* [[The shouting messenger]]
; [[Your unfriendly neighborhood list]]
; [[The uneducated list]]
; [[The unspeakable Wiktionary]]
; [[The Meta-Fiasco]]
; [[Wikimedia Outreach|The Outreach debacle]]
; [[Wikimedia tragedy]]
; [[The Commons illuminati]]
; [[Wikimedia Who's Who]]

{{col-end}}

===Share this page===
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[[Category:Human Rights in Cyberspace]]

 
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[[Keyword::Human rights]]
[[Keyword::Cyberspace]]
[[Keyword::Wikimedia Meta-Wiki]]
[[Keyword::Wikimedia]]
[[Keyword::Meta-Wiki]]
[[Keyword::Meta]]
[[Keyword::Brazilian Wikipedia]]
[[Keyword::Brazilian]]
[[Keyword::Wikipedia]]
[[Keyword::Portuguese Wikipedia]]
[[Keyword::Portuguese]]
[[Keyword::Civilized community]]
[[Keyword::Civilized]]
[[Keyword::Community]]
[[Keyword::Wikimedia projects]]
[[Keyword::Metaphors]]
[[Keyword::Tale]]
[[Keyword::Two drivers]]
[[Keyword::Brotherhood spirit]]
[[Keyword::Brotherhood]]
[[Keyword::Racism]]
[[Keyword::Sexism]]
[[Keyword::Disabled]]
[[Keyword::Fair and public hearing]]
[[Keyword::Fair hearing]]
[[Keyword::Public hearing]]
[[Keyword::Child pornography]]
[[Keyword::Honor and reputation attacks]]
[[Keyword::Honor attacks]]
[[Keyword::Reputation attacks]]
[[Keyword::Freedom of opinion and expression]]
[[Keyword::Freedom of opinion]]
[[Keyword::Freedom of expression]]
[[Keyword::Wikipédia]]
[[Keyword::There is no such thing as a free lunch]]
[[Keyword::There is no such thing]]
[[Keyword::Free lunch]]
[[Keyword::Crusaders against education]]
[[Keyword::Crusaders]]
[[Keyword::Education]]
[[Keyword::Quem é Quem]]
[[Keyword::Governance]]
[[Keyword::Language]]
[[Keyword::Portuguese Language]]
[[Keyword::Wikimedia Portugal]]
[[Keyword::Portugal]]
[[Keyword::Wikimedia Brazil]]
[[Keyword::Brazil]]
[[Keyword::WikiPT list]]
[[Keyword::WikiPT]]
[[Keyword::Windows Live Messenger]]
[[Keyword::Windows Live]]
[[Keyword::Messenger]]
[[Keyword::Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List]]
[[Keyword::Foundation Mailing List]]
[[Keyword::Mailing List]]
[[Keyword::Foundation list]]
[[Keyword::Foundation-l]]
[[Keyword::Wikimedia Education Mailing List]]
[[Keyword::Education Mailing List]]
[[Keyword::Education List]]
[[Keyword::Wikimedia Wiktionary]]
[[Keyword::Wiktionary]]
[[Keyword::Wikimedia Outreach]]
[[Keyword::Outreach]]
[[Keyword::Wikimedia Commons]]
[[Keyword::Commons]]
[[Keyword::Wikimedia Who's Who]]
[[Keyword::Who's Who]]
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Talk:Human Rights in Cyberspace

2011-11-26T03:15:26Z

Vapmachado: Links on Rds

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| [[You only have two legal rights]] || [http://www.mywikibiz.com/index.php?title=You_only_have_two_legal_rights&redirect=no Rd] || [[You only have two legal rights on Wikipedia]] || - || -
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| - || - || - || [[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/Lack of brotherhood spirit|Lack of brotherhood spirit]] || [[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/Lack of brotherhood spirit and Wikimedia|Lack of brotherhood spirit]]
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| [[Sexism]] || Rd || [[Sexism and Wikipedia|Sexism]] || - || -
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| [[Disabled not welcome]] || Rd || [[Disabilities and Wikipedia|Disabled not welcome]] || - || -
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| [[No fair and public hearing]] || NRd || [[No fair and public hearings on Wikimedia|No fair and public hearing]] || <s>[[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/No fair and public hearing|No fair and public hearing]]</s> || -
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| [[Child pornography]] || Rd || [[Child pornography and Wikipedia|Child pornography]] || - || -
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| [[Honor and reputation attacks]] || NRd || [[Honor and reputation attacks on Wikipedia|Honor and reputation attacks]] || - || -
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Talk:Human Rights in Cyberspace

2011-11-26T03:10:28Z

Vapmachado: From "You only have two legal rights" to "You only have two legal rights on Wikipedia"

== Site map ==

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| [[Human rights]] || Rd || [[Universal Declaration of Human Rights]] || - || -
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| [[You only have two legal rights]] || Rd || [[You only have two legal rights on Wikipedia]] || - || -
|-
| - || - || - || [[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/Lack of brotherhood spirit|Lack of brotherhood spirit]] || [[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/Lack of brotherhood spirit and Wikimedia|Lack of brotherhood spirit]]
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| [[Racism]] || Rd || [[Racism and Wikipedia|Racism]] || - || -
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| [[Sexism]] || Rd || [[Sexism and Wikipedia|Sexism]] || - || -
|-
| [[Disabled not welcome]] || Rd || [[Disabilities and Wikipedia|Disabled not welcome]] || - || -
|-
| [[No fair and public hearing]] || NRd || [[No fair and public hearings on Wikimedia|No fair and public hearing]] || <s>[[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/No fair and public hearing|No fair and public hearing]]</s> || -
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| [[Child pornography]] || Rd || [[Child pornography and Wikipedia|Child pornography]] || - || -
|-
| [[Honor and reputation attacks]] || NRd || [[Honor and reputation attacks on Wikipedia|Honor and reputation attacks]] || - || -
|-
| [[Freedom of dominion and repression]] || NRd || [[No freedom of opinion and expression on Wikimedia|No freedom of opinion and expression]] || - || -
|-
| [[Child labor]] || NRd || [[Child labor on Wikimedia|Child labor]] || - || -
|-
| - || - || [[Human Rights in Cyberspace Bibliography|Bibliography]] || - || -
|-
| [[Your unfriendly neighborhood list]] || - || - || - || -
|-
| [[Wikimedia unfriendly neighborhood list 2009]] || - || - || - || -
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Talk:Human Rights in Cyberspace

2011-11-26T03:05:35Z

Vapmachado: From "Human rights" to "Universal Declaration of Human Rights"

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|-
| [[Human rights in Wikimedia projects]] || - || - || - || -
|-
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|-
| - || - || - || [[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/Lack of brotherhood spirit|Lack of brotherhood spirit]] || [[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/Lack of brotherhood spirit and Wikimedia|Lack of brotherhood spirit]]
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| [[Racism]] || Rd || [[Racism and Wikipedia|Racism]] || - || -
|-
| [[Sexism]] || Rd || [[Sexism and Wikipedia|Sexism]] || - || -
|-
| [[Disabled not welcome]] || Rd || [[Disabilities and Wikipedia|Disabled not welcome]] || - || -
|-
| [[No fair and public hearing]] || NRd || [[No fair and public hearings on Wikimedia|No fair and public hearing]] || <s>[[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/No fair and public hearing|No fair and public hearing]]</s> || -
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| [[Child pornography]] || Rd || [[Child pornography and Wikipedia|Child pornography]] || - || -
|-
| [[Honor and reputation attacks]] || NRd || [[Honor and reputation attacks on Wikipedia|Honor and reputation attacks]] || - || -
|-
| [[Freedom of dominion and repression]] || NRd || [[No freedom of opinion and expression on Wikimedia|No freedom of opinion and expression]] || - || -
|-
| [[Child labor]] || NRd || [[Child labor on Wikimedia|Child labor]] || - || -
|-
| - || - || [[Human Rights in Cyberspace Bibliography|Bibliography]] || - || -
|-
| [[Your unfriendly neighborhood list]] || - || - || - || -
|-
| [[Wikimedia unfriendly neighborhood list 2009]] || - || - || - || -
|-
| colspan="5" | <hr>
|}

Talk:Human Rights in Cyberspace

2011-11-26T03:01:23Z

Vapmachado: From "Metaphors" to "Metaphors for Wikimedia projects"

== Site map ==

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| colspan="5" | <hr>
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| [[A civilized community]] || - || - || - || -
|-
| [[Metaphors]] || NRd || [[Metaphors for Wikimedia projects]] || - || -
|-
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|-
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|-
| [[Human rights in Wikimedia projects]] || - || - || - || -
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| [[You only have two legal rights]] || Rd || [[You only have two legal rights on Wikipedia|You only have two legal rights]] || - || -
|-
| - || - || - || [[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/Lack of brotherhood spirit|Lack of brotherhood spirit]] || [[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/Lack of brotherhood spirit and Wikimedia|Lack of brotherhood spirit]]
|-
| [[Racism]] || Rd || [[Racism and Wikipedia|Racism]] || - || -
|-
| [[Sexism]] || Rd || [[Sexism and Wikipedia|Sexism]] || - || -
|-
| [[Disabled not welcome]] || Rd || [[Disabilities and Wikipedia|Disabled not welcome]] || - || -
|-
| [[No fair and public hearing]] || NRd || [[No fair and public hearings on Wikimedia|No fair and public hearing]] || <s>[[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/No fair and public hearing|No fair and public hearing]]</s> || -
|-
| [[Child pornography]] || Rd || [[Child pornography and Wikipedia|Child pornography]] || - || -
|-
| [[Honor and reputation attacks]] || NRd || [[Honor and reputation attacks on Wikipedia|Honor and reputation attacks]] || - || -
|-
| [[Freedom of dominion and repression]] || NRd || [[No freedom of opinion and expression on Wikimedia|No freedom of opinion and expression]] || - || -
|-
| [[Child labor]] || NRd || [[Child labor on Wikimedia|Child labor]] || - || -
|-
| - || - || [[Human Rights in Cyberspace Bibliography|Bibliography]] || - || -
|-
| [[Your unfriendly neighborhood list]] || - || - || - || -
|-
| [[Wikimedia unfriendly neighborhood list 2009]] || - || - || - || -
|-
| colspan="5" | <hr>
|}

Human Rights in Cyberspace

2011-11-26T02:58:52Z

Vapmachado: From "Metaphors" to "Metaphors for Wikimedia projects"

<div style="text-align:center;"> <big>'''Welcome to the Human Rights in Cyberspace wiki'''</big> A collaborative community website about Human Rights in Cyberspace that [[Help:Editing|anyone, including you, can edit]]. Click the edit button at the top of any page to get started!



{{col-begin}}
{{col-2}}
; [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia Meta-Wiki] and [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_projects other wikis]
* [[A civilized community]]
* [[Metaphors for Wikimedia projects]]
* [[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/A tale of two drivers|A tale of two drivers]]
* [[Universal Declaration of Human Rights|Human rights]]
* [[Human rights in Wikimedia projects]]
* [[You only have two legal rights on Wikipedia|You only have two legal rights]]
* [[Lack of brotherhood spirit]]
* [[Racism and Wikipedia|Racism]]
* [[Sexism and Wikipedia|Sexism]]
* [[Disabilities and Wikipedia|Disabled not welcome]]
* [[No fair and public hearing]]
* [[Child pornography and Wikipedia|Child pornography]]
* [[Honor and reputation attacks]]
* [[Freedom of dominion and repression]]
* [[Child labor]]

{{col-2}}
; [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:P%C3%A1gina_principal Brazilian Wikipedia]
* [[My user page on the Brazilian Wikipédia|My user page]]
* [[There is no such thing as a free lunch]]
* [[Talk:There is no such thing as a free lunch]]
* [[The crusaders against education I]]
* [[Talk:The crusaders against education I]]
* [[Wikipédia Quem é Quem]]
* [[Portuguese Wikipedia governance issues]]
* [[Talk:Portuguese Wikipedia governance issues]]
* [[Portuguese Wikipedia language issues]]
* [[Talk:Portuguese Wikipedia language issues]]
* [[Wikiconmedia in Portugal]]
* [[Wikiconmedia in Brazil]]
* [[That PiTiful Wiki list]]
* [[The shouting messenger]]
; [[Your unfriendly neighborhood list]]
; [[The uneducated list]]
; [[The unspeakable Wiktionary]]
; [[The Meta-Fiasco]]
; [[Wikimedia Outreach|The Outreach debacle]]
; [[Wikimedia tragedy]]
; [[The Commons illuminati]]
; [[Wikimedia Who's Who]]

{{col-end}}

===Share this page===
<sharethis />

[[Category:Human Rights in Cyberspace]]

 
<div style="overflow:auto;height:1px;">
[[Keyword::Human rights]]
[[Keyword::Cyberspace]]
[[Keyword::Wikimedia Meta-Wiki]]
[[Keyword::Wikimedia]]
[[Keyword::Meta-Wiki]]
[[Keyword::Meta]]
[[Keyword::Brazilian Wikipedia]]
[[Keyword::Brazilian]]
[[Keyword::Wikipedia]]
[[Keyword::Portuguese Wikipedia]]
[[Keyword::Portuguese]]
[[Keyword::Civilized community]]
[[Keyword::Civilized]]
[[Keyword::Community]]
[[Keyword::Wikimedia projects]]
[[Keyword::Metaphors]]
[[Keyword::Tale]]
[[Keyword::Two drivers]]
[[Keyword::Brotherhood spirit]]
[[Keyword::Brotherhood]]
[[Keyword::Racism]]
[[Keyword::Sexism]]
[[Keyword::Disabled]]
[[Keyword::Fair and public hearing]]
[[Keyword::Fair hearing]]
[[Keyword::Public hearing]]
[[Keyword::Child pornography]]
[[Keyword::Honor and reputation attacks]]
[[Keyword::Honor attacks]]
[[Keyword::Reputation attacks]]
[[Keyword::Freedom of opinion and expression]]
[[Keyword::Freedom of opinion]]
[[Keyword::Freedom of expression]]
[[Keyword::Wikipédia]]
[[Keyword::There is no such thing as a free lunch]]
[[Keyword::There is no such thing]]
[[Keyword::Free lunch]]
[[Keyword::Crusaders against education]]
[[Keyword::Crusaders]]
[[Keyword::Education]]
[[Keyword::Quem é Quem]]
[[Keyword::Governance]]
[[Keyword::Language]]
[[Keyword::Portuguese Language]]
[[Keyword::Wikimedia Portugal]]
[[Keyword::Portugal]]
[[Keyword::Wikimedia Brazil]]
[[Keyword::Brazil]]
[[Keyword::WikiPT list]]
[[Keyword::WikiPT]]
[[Keyword::Windows Live Messenger]]
[[Keyword::Windows Live]]
[[Keyword::Messenger]]
[[Keyword::Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List]]
[[Keyword::Foundation Mailing List]]
[[Keyword::Mailing List]]
[[Keyword::Foundation list]]
[[Keyword::Foundation-l]]
[[Keyword::Wikimedia Education Mailing List]]
[[Keyword::Education Mailing List]]
[[Keyword::Education List]]
[[Keyword::Wikimedia Wiktionary]]
[[Keyword::Wiktionary]]
[[Keyword::Wikimedia Outreach]]
[[Keyword::Outreach]]
[[Keyword::Wikimedia Commons]]
[[Keyword::Commons]]
[[Keyword::Wikimedia Who's Who]]
[[Keyword::Who's Who]]
</div>

Talk:Human Rights in Cyberspace

2011-08-11T02:16:20Z

Vapmachado: /* Site map */ +links

== Site map ==

{| align="center" width="100%"
|-
! Main Space
! PRd
! New title (mouseover)
! Directory Space
! New title (mouseover)
|-
| colspan="5" | <hr>
|-
| [[A civilized community]] || - || - || - || -
|-
| [[Metaphors]] || NRd || [[Metaphors for Wikimedia projects|Metaphors]] || - || -
|-
| - || - || - || [[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/A tale of two drivers|A tale of two drivers]] || -
|-
| [[Human rights]] || Rd || [[Universal Declaration of Human Rights|Human rights]] || - || -
|-
| [[Human rights in Wikimedia projects]] || - || - || - || -
|-
| [[You only have two legal rights]] || Rd || [[You only have two legal rights on Wikipedia|You only have two legal rights]] || - || -
|-
| - || - || - || [[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/Lack of brotherhood spirit|Lack of brotherhood spirit]] || [[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/Lack of brotherhood spirit and Wikimedia|Lack of brotherhood spirit]]
|-
| [[Racism]] || Rd || [[Racism and Wikipedia|Racism]] || - || -
|-
| [[Sexism]] || Rd || [[Sexism and Wikipedia|Sexism]] || - || -
|-
| [[Disabled not welcome]] || Rd || [[Disabilities and Wikipedia|Disabled not welcome]] || - || -
|-
| [[No fair and public hearing]] || NRd || [[No fair and public hearings on Wikimedia|No fair and public hearing]] || <s>[[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/No fair and public hearing|No fair and public hearing]]</s> || -
|-
| [[Child pornography]] || Rd || [[Child pornography and Wikipedia|Child pornography]] || - || -
|-
| [[Honor and reputation attacks]] || NRd || [[Honor and reputation attacks on Wikipedia|Honor and reputation attacks]] || - || -
|-
| [[Freedom of dominion and repression]] || NRd || [[No freedom of opinion and expression on Wikimedia|No freedom of opinion and expression]] || - || -
|-
| [[Child labor]] || NRd || [[Child labor on Wikimedia|Child labor]] || - || -
|-
| - || - || [[Human Rights in Cyberspace Bibliography|Bibliography]] || - || -
|-
| [[Your unfriendly neighborhood list]] || - || - || - || -
|-
| [[Wikimedia unfriendly neighborhood list 2009]] || - || - || - || -
|-
| colspan="5" | <hr>
|}

Talk:Human Rights in Cyberspace

2011-08-03T03:48:01Z

Vapmachado: /* Site map */ +table

== Site map ==

{| align="center" width="100%"
|-
! Main Space
! PRd
! New title (mouseover)
! Directory Space
! New title (mouseover)
|-
| colspan="5" | <hr>
|-
| [[A civilized community]] || - || - || - || -
|-
| [[Metaphors]] || NRd || [[Metaphors for Wikimedia projects|Metaphors]] || - || -
|-
| - || - || - || [[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/A tale of two drivers|A tale of two drivers]] || -
|-
| [[Human rights]] || Rd || [[Universal Declaration of Human Rights|Human rights]] || - || -
|-
| [[Human rights in Wikimedia projects]] || - || - || - || -
|-
| [[You only have two legal rights]] || Rd || [[You only have two legal rights on Wikipedia|You only have two legal rights]] || - || -
|-
| - || - || - || [[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/Lack of brotherhood spirit|Lack of brotherhood spirit]] || [[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/Lack of brotherhood spirit and Wikimedia|Lack of brotherhood spirit]]
|-
| [[Racism]] || Rd || [[Racism and Wikipedia|Racism]] || - || -
|-
| [[Sexism]] || Rd || [[Sexism and Wikipedia|Sexism]] || - || -
|-
| [[Disabled not welcome]] || Rd || [[Disabilities and Wikipedia|Disabled not welcome]] || - || -
|-
| [[No fair and public hearing]] || NRd || [[No fair and public hearings on Wikimedia|No fair and public hearing]] || <s>[[Directory:Virgilio A. P. Machado/No fair and public hearing|No fair and public hearing]]</s> || -
|-
| [[Child pornography]] || Rd || [[Child pornography and Wikipedia|Child pornography]] || - || -
|-
| [[Honor and reputation attacks]] || NRd || [[Honor and reputation attacks on Wikipedia|Honor and reputation attacks]] || - || -
|-
| [[Freedom of dominion and repression]] || NRd || [[No freedom of opinion and expression on Wikimedia|No freedom of opinion and expression]] || - || -
|-
| [[Child labor]] || NRd || [[Child labor on Wikimedia|Child labor]] || - || -
|-
| - || - || [[Human Rights in Cyberspace Bibliography|Bibliography]] || - || -
|-
| colspan="5" | <hr>
|}

Talk:Human Rights in Cyberspace

2011-08-03T01:40:59Z

Vapmachado: Create site map

== Site map ==

* A civilized community

The uneducated list

2011-07-30T04:07:57Z

Vapmachado: Changed links to files

[[File:Jan Bart de Vreede Nov 2010.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Jan-Bart de Vreede]]

From: Jan-Bart de Vreede <janbart@wikimedia.org> 
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 21:12:30 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: [Foundation-l] Announcing Wikimedia Education List

Hi All,

We would like to take this opportunity to announce the new Wikimedia Education list. During the past Wikimania conferences we seen incredible examples of educational use of Wikimedia Projects or Content. During the recent chapter conference in Berlin we saw some more. These are often not related to a specific project and often have subject matter which involves a different audience than the other general mailing lists. Thats why we decided to start a new mailing list which will hopefully foster creative discussion on the topic at hand.

So what would we like to discuss on this list:

* Educational use of Wikimedia content or projects
* Best practices
* Educational Licensing
* Educational Outreach
* Other Open Educational Resource Projects
* Anything else that is education related :)

Everyone is welcome to post to the list. You can subscribe to the list at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education . The list will be moderated by Cormaggio, Jan-Bart and Louriepieterse.

Hope to see you there!

Cormaggio, Jan-Bart and Lourie

PS: Small disclaimer: although Jan-Bart is a member of the Board of Trustees, this is not an official WMF initiative, but a community initiative.

== Wikimania in Haifa ==

[[File:Downtown Haifa, Israel at night.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Downtown Haifa]]

From: Frank Schulenburg <fschulenburg@wikimedia.org> 
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:03:02 
To: education@lists.wikimedia.org 
Subject: [Education] Wikipedia and Education: Wikimania in Haifa

Hi All,

Wikipedia and Education seems to be one of the trending topics. There's a lot of excitement when it comes to using Wikipedia in the classroom and I know that quite a few Wikimedia chapters and academic institutions are thinking about getting more active in this area.

The Wikimania conference is a great opportunity for looking back to what has been achieved in the past and for planning the future. That's why I thought is might be a good idea to direct your attention to the education related submissions for this year's conference in Haifa, Israel.

Below you'll find a list of the existing education related submissions -- maybe some of the subscribers on this list have some more ideas for proposals.

Also: I would be interested in meeting those of you who are planning to go to Haifa and who are interested in Wikipedia and Education. How about if we have an informal get-together during Wikimania?

http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_in_Education:_Wikimania_2011

Frank

<hr>

Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 02:54:36 
To: education@lists.wikimedia.org 
From: "Virgilio A. P. Machado" <vam@fct.unl.pt> 
Subject: Re: [Education] Wikipedia and Education: Wikimania in Haifa

Great idea. It will not be ready for Wikimania in Haifa, this year, but I just added to my list of case studies: "The crusaders against education in the Brazilian Wikipedia." Right now it is an unfinished case because the crusade is still raging at full throttle in the Brazilian Wikipedia, thanks to... YOU. That's right, YOU. It is all happening under your very noses, using the resources that the Wikimedia Foundation makes available to the gang that runs the Brazilian Wikipedia. A word of warning, also, to all the donors to the Wikimedia Foundation whose money is unwittingly being used to support that big sham called Portuguese Wikipedia. Sounds dramatic, exaggerated, overblown? I wouldn't believe it myself if I were not there, right on top of the list of those blocked to infinite for daring, for trying such foolish endeavor. My worst sin, I'm very sorry to say: being a Portuguese university professor trying to run a successful higher education project in a Wikipedia dominated by Brazilian highschoolers. In the mean time, have fun in Haifa, patting each other on the back for a job well done.

Sincerely,

Virgilio A. P. Machado

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Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 18:00:00 
From: Sonia Newton-Shostakovich 
To: education@lists.wikimedia.org 
Subject: Re: [Education] Wikipedia and Education: Wikimania in Haifa

With all due respect, if you believe something is an issue and that people can help rectify it, it's probably not the best idea to single them out for the blame when they have had no part in shaping the situation. If you clarified what exactly the issue is with regard to the project in question, people might actually be able to investigate your complaint and see what can be done.

Sonia

== Appropriate tone for this list... ==

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From: Jan-Bart de Vreede <janbart@wikimedia.org> 
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:41:31 
To: "education@lists.wikimedia.org" <education@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: [Education] Appropriate tone for this list...

Hello Everyone,

Well, it took us four emails on this list in order to reach the moment where someone started being negative in tone.

The reason we started this list was to exchange ideas in a positive atmosphere. There are incredible examples (best practices) on how to use Wikimedia content en projects in an educational setting. We can share these and point out opportunities to one another. One of the people I talked to when discussing this list stated that for him it was important that the tone of the list be positive, but above all: constructive.

Therefore this list is not a place to:

1) Antagonize one another or show a lack of respect to individuals 
2) Continue crusades which are already being fought on other platforms (however just they may be) 
3) Be close-minded

If people can't abide by these guidelines, please feel free to unsubscribe and "take it elsewhere". If you have suggestions for other guidelines to make this a welcoming place, feel free to mail me.

In support of Frank's suggestion I think it would be great to get together in a larger setting of some kind at wikimania. When looking at

http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_Papers (PS: your deadline for adding proposals is the 30th of april)

I see a lot of educational talks. Every year we have more and more of these at Wikimania, and every year we see more cool cases and theory. Can we come up with suggestions for doing something special at Wikimania this year where we can celebrate this and have an informal get together?

Jan-Bart

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Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:41:17 
From: Andrew Owens 
To: education@lists.wikimedia.org 
Subject: Re: [Education] Appropriate tone for this list...

Agreed.

Two points that come to mind:

* We're all working in distant locations around the globe, and sometimes it's easy to feel like one is isolated or alone in trying to get something going - maybe even get disheartened and give it up. At events such as the Chapters meetings and Wikimania, however, there is a tremendous amount of goodwill and willingness to share and help each other, and an amazing variety of projects going meaning that one doesn't have to start from scratch or "re-invent the wheel", and this list is an opportunity to make sure that such momentum isn't limited to those 5 or 6 days of the year when we do all meet.

* Different people's and countries' circumstances will necessarily be different as we're working with different institutions, bureaucracies, curricula, mindsets, cultures - that's part of the fun of being part of a global enterprise. What works in one part of the world may not work in another, or may work only to some extent before significant "tweaking" is needed. It's a good argument for a decentralised, collaborative approach to these things and I think the more we can achieve this way, the more recognition we'll get as a movement from WMF that we are the best agents of change in our respective parts of the world with regard to their mission so far as it extends to education and educational institutions/projects.

I also like the idea of doing something special and having an informal get-together at Wikimania. :)

kindest regards 
Andrew.

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Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:35:32 
From: Kathi Fletcher 
To: education@lists.wikimedia.org 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] [Education] Appropriate tone for this list...

Hi all,

I am mostly lurking here, because as a part of my fellowship with the Shuttleworth Foundation I am working on ways for open education resource repositories to be more interoperable and remixable, and looking at how communities generate and use content.

At a recent keynote by John Seely Brown, he passed on a wonderful definition of "critique". He was talking about the power of the "studio" model for education. In a studio, both masters and peers provide critiques and others working in the studio can each overhear and benefit. It seems relevant to this discussion.

So here is the definition, paraphrased to the best of my recollection:

Critique: Advice that moves a project forward along the project's own trajectory and within the perspectives of the project's team.

Kathi

== Farewell ==

Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:31:52 
To: education@lists.wikimedia.org 
From: "Virgilio A. P. Machado" <vam@fct.unl.pt> 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] [Education] Appropriate tone for this list...

Sorry, wrong list. Please disregard my previous post with my apologies.

== Exit ==

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Sonia, please get in touch on or off-list with Jan-Bart, he seems to be well informed and capable of giving you a more unbiased description of what has being going on than myself, being one of the interested parties, and report on whatever advice he has given, so far, to help move the education "project forward along the project's own trajectory and within the perspectives of the project's team." on the Brazilian Wikipedia.

Well, it took us three emails on this list in order to reach the moment where someone started being negative in tone.

The reason we started this list was to exchange ideas in a positive atmosphere. There are incredible examples (best practices) on how to use Wikimedia content on projects in an educational setting. We can share these and point out opportunities to one another. You don't have to talk to anybody to know that it is important that the tone of the list be positive, but above all: constructive.

Therefore this list is not a place to:

1) Antagonize one another or show a lack of respect to individuals 
2) Continue crusades which are already being fought on other platforms (however just they may be) 
3) Be close-minded

If people can't abide by these guidelines, please feel free to unsubscribe and "take it elsewhere". If you have suggestions for other guidelines to make this a welcoming place, feel free to mail tis list moderators.

I see a lot of educational talks. Every year we have more and more of these at Wikimania, and every year we see more cool cases and theory. Can we come up with suggestions for doing something special at Wikimania this year where we can celebrate this, have an informal get together, and pretend that everything is just swell?

"We're all working in distant locations around the globe, and sometimes it's easy to feel like one is isolated or alone in trying to get something going - maybe even get disheartened and give it up. At events such as the Chapters meetings and Wikimania, however, there is a tremendous amount of goodwill and willingness to share and help each other." Not in the Brazilian or Portuguese chapters, and certainly not in Wikimania, as stated by Jan-Bart de Vreede.

"What works in one part of the world may not work in another, or may work only to some extent before significant "tweaking" is needed." What led you to assume that not enough "tweaking" was done in order to ensure that it would work. Could you please present some evidence to support your assumption?

"It's a good argument for a decentralised, collaborative approach to these things" I thought so too, until told that "If people can't abide by these guidelines, please feel free to unsubscribe and "take it elsewhere". How about that for not "Antagonize one another or show a lack of respect to individuals." "Continue crusades which are already being fought on other platforms (however just they may be)", "Be close-minded."

One would expect from an education environment of any kind to find a high level of understanding of the Principles of Fairness, Integrity, Honesty, Human dignity, Service, Excellence, Potential, Growth, Patience, Nurturance, and Encouragement, not the kind of gross statements like those above.

Since nine messages were used to deal with a technical suggestion, it might be worth considering changing the name and focus of this list to "instruction." Education is a concept way above and much broader.

I was not aware that one of the objectives of this list was to obtain "more recognition [...] as a movement from WMF that we are the best agents of change in our respective parts of the world with regard to their mission so far as it extends to education and educational institutions/projects." Of course that assumes that you are from the right parts of the world, the rest be damned.

Thank you Kathi. Thank you for being so brave. My great respects to a lady from such an amazing part of the world. That was the kind of critique that I was expecting from educators: "Advice that moves a project forward along the project's own trajectory and within the perspectives of the project's team." I hope you will give me the honor to keep in touch. You might be of great help in keeping my tone appropriate to a general audience and avoid being told to "take it elsewhere."

Sincerely,

Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado)

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Wikimedia Who's Who

2011-07-20T02:53:46Z

Vapmachado: *wiki

== Amir ==

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'''[[wikipedia:meta:User:WizardOfOz|Amir]]''' aka [[wikipedia:meta:User:WizardOfOz|WizardOfOz]]
* [[wikipedia:meta:User:WizardOfOz|Born in Bosnia and now living in Austria]]
* [[wikipedia:meta:User:WizardOfOz|Fluent in Bosnian and German, but can also be contacted in English]]

== Anonymous aka [[wikipedia:fr:Utilisateur:Hashar|Ashar Voultoiz]] ==

'''[[wikipedia:fr:Utilisateur:Hashar|Ashar Voultoiz]]''' aka [[wikipedia:fr:Utilisateur:Hashar|Hashar]].

== Anonymous aka [[wikipedia:en:User:Happy-melon|Happy-melon]] ==

* "[[wikipedia:en:User:Happy-melon|I rarely create new articles - we have enough of those already]]."
* "[[wikipedia:en:User:Happy-melon|It's really pretty simple: Mind NPOV | Don't be a dick | Ignore all rules]]."

== Austin Hair ==

[[File:Wikipedia Meetup Dallas portrait 1.jpg|thumb|300px|right]]

'''[[Wikipedia:Meta:User:Austin|Austin Hair]]''' aka [[Wikipedia:Meta:User:Austin|Austin]].
* [http://www.facebook.com/adhair Profile] on Facebook.

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== David Goodman ==

[[File:DGG by David Shankbone.jpg|thumb|300px|right]]

'''[[wikipedia:en:User:DGG|David Goodman]]''' aka [[wikipedia:en:User:DGG|DGG]].
* "[[wikipedia:en:User:DGG|My real name is David Goodman, and I would have used it from the beginning if I had understood WP better]]."
* "[[wikipedia:en:User:DGG|I post my email address, because sometimes it's better to argue in private]]."
* [[wikipedia:en:User:DGG|MLS from Rutgers]].
* [[wikipedia:en:User:DGG|Ph.D. from Berkeley, in molecular biology]].
* [[wikipedia:en:User:DGG|Post-doc in Berkeley, in human biology]].
* [http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001245353626 Profile] on Facebook

== Filip Maljkovic ==

'''[[wikipedia:Meta:User:dungodung|Filip Maljkovic]]''' aka [[wikipedia:Meta:User:dungodung|dungodung]].
* [http://twitter.com/#!/dungodung Profile] on Twitter

== Jonathan Alexandr Dmitri Ledbury Romanov ==

'''[[wikipedia:n:Wikinews:Credential verification#Ledbury-Romanov.2C_Jonathan-Alexandr_.28Wikinews_user_AlexandrDmitri.29|Jonathan Alexandr Dmitri Ledbury Romanov]]'''[http://twitter.com/#!/AlexandrDmitri] aka [http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.wikinews/1672 Alexandr Dmitri] aka [[wikipedia:en:User:AlexandrDmitri|AlexandrDmitri]].
* [http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1846977520 Profile] on Facebook
* [http://twitter.com/#!/AlexandrDmitri Profile] on Twitter

== Nathan Awrich ==

'''[http://markmail.org/message/rs2tcysiqlwopco6 Nathan Awrich]''' aka [[Wikipedia:Meta:User:Nathan|Nathan]] aka [[wikipedia:en:User:Avruch|Avruch]].
* [http://www.linkedin.com/pub/nathan-awrich/22/444/1ba Since 2004, a pharmacy operations supervisor in Burlington, VT]. [http://articles.latimes.com/2008/mar/10/business/fi-wikipedia10/4 (28 years old in 2010)].
* "[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2008-July/044924.html Wrote 22 knols, most if not all of which are copies of the relevant Wikipedia articles]" but "[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-June/052380.html That doesn't really fly here.]"
* [http://www.linkedin.com/pub/nathan-awrich/22/444/1ba Profile] on LinkedIn

== Phil Nash ==

[[File:MeSmokies.jpg|thumb|300px|right]]

'''[[wikipedia:en:User:Rodhullandemu/Pictures|Phil Nash]]''' aka [http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=30718&pid=254536&mode=threaded&show=&st=& Rodhullandemu].

== Ryan Lomonaco ==

'''[[wikipedia:en:User:Ral315|Ryan Lomonaco]]''' aka [[wikipedia:en:User:Ral315|Ral315]].
* [http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/hivemind.html#311 Profile] on Wikipedia Watch
* [http://twitter.com/#!/ral315 Profile] on Twitter

File:MeSmokies.jpg

2011-07-20T02:51:22Z

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Rodhullandemu in the Smoky Mountains, TN, 20060126

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File:DGG by David Shankbone.jpg

2011-07-20T02:47:21Z

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DGG_by_David_Shankbone, August 2007

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File:Wikipedia Meetup Dallas portrait 1.jpg

2011-07-20T02:43:10Z

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An attendee of the 1st Dallas-Forth Worth Wikipedia meetup, 2 January 2010

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The Commons illuminati

2011-07-20T02:35:38Z

Vapmachado: *wiki

[[File:On the edge - free world version_771px.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Art on the edge and over]]
[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:On_the_edge_-_free_world_version.jpg Deletion requests/File:On the edge - free world version.jpg]

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2011-07-20T02:32:04Z

Vapmachado: Drawing of a fictional landscape with a figure in manga/anime style. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:On_the_edge_-_free_world_version.jpg Licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license.

Drawing of a fictional landscape with a figure in manga/anime style.

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The Meta-Fiasco

2011-07-20T02:24:22Z

Vapmachado: *wiki

[[File:Mr. Pickwick addresses the club 584px.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Mr. Pickwick addresses the Club, by R. Seymour]]
Many thanks to all women and men of good faith who are members of the Foundation-l mailing list and/or Meta editors. I was literally swamped with answers to my questions and advice. Such outpouring of good will and fellowship makes it practically impossible for me to thank each and everyone individually. Therefore, I'm writing these few lines to express my deepest gratitude to all that came forward to help.

I would like to express my deepest sympathies to all the others that turned away from a request for assistance. I have personal experience of the consequences of that unfortunate and sometimes inhuman behavior. The dire result of such callousness has been documented many times. On You Tube one can see, among many other examples, the video "Man dies on New York street: Nobody stopped to help him". Let's all pray and/or hope that those who shied away from helping, will not live to regret it. Imagine them requesting assistance for the person they most love at that moment and not getting any. Imagine them watching their most loved one die from lack of assistance. Imagine them recalling that occasion, probably among many others, when they refused to help, thinking it would never happen to them or that it was in their own best self interest not to get involved. I wish that will never happen, but I fear for them, and hope they'll never find themselves in such a predicament.

I understand and have been specifically told, or warned if you prefer, that this "talk page access is open just to give [me the] possibility to request unblock." I have been attacked, abused, and threatened on this very same page. "Take care about your words", "there is a log out button in the top right corner."[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2131424] "The 4th pillar of Wikipedia, was a reason to block you per infinite" (no evidence was provided), "Your whole behavior and your edits are making me sure that you are just for two reasons on meta: the first is to transfer pt. problems to the meta community, and second is trolling." (personal POV without any evidence), "The next try of trolling will end in an infinite block."[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2131778] "you can do it (respond) without prologue."[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2131904] and to "hold it short, and don´t troll, or your talk page access will also be blocked."[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2132590] All this from someone who having felt embarrassed by a quote of some material from Meta itself[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2122074], and unable to control his anger, went on a rampage of outlandish behavior ([[wikipedia:meta:User talk:Vapmachado#Block|Block]]) in a futile attempt to assert his power and authority, and save face, with the complacency and complicity of like minded sycophants.

I understand that some people here on Meta have certain powers. That they will not hesitate to use them. That most likely they are always looking forward to have an excuse to use them. "[[wikipedia:en:Law of the instrument|Give a small boy a hammer, and he will find that everything he encounters needs pounding.]]" My understanding, however, is not so limited. I do have [http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml human rights] like everybody else. One of those rights (Article 11) entitles any human being to "all the guarantees necessary for his defense." Everything that I have written and will write in this statement is set forth under those inalienable rights.

Let's go back to that first block on Meta, referred above. After the discussion and all the provocations also mentioned, a request to unblock was duly posted on this page.[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2162452] It turned out to be a futile exercise. It was let to linger here for more than two months, leading to the only plausible explanation that, for the fourth time, the objective is to block the user at all costs, no matter what the reason or its merits. For motives, you'll have to ask those involved. There are people specially trained that could help sort those kind of things. This user does not have the required qualifications.

Let's put the other three bans in the proper perspective. brwikimedia and ptwikimedia are the wikis of the Brazilian and Portuguese chapters, that, like the Portuguese Wikipedia are run by the same people. That's the only reason for "[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-January/063361.html being blocked or banned across multiple wikis.]" Please note that according to a recent news item there's about 30 Portuguese active editors (Population: about 10 million).

The work on Meta was being done in an orderly manner until the disruption provoked and caused by those same people mentioned above. The user is the same. Trouble only started after the interference of the same people from the Portuguese Wikipedia on Meta. Their votes can be seen popping up on the RfA. There has never been a single block on any other Wikimedia project where these editors do not have any influence. The obvious conclusion is that the hostile behavior stays with that people, not this user.

One thing is certain. The accumulation of blocks builds up an "interesting history of cross-wiki issues"[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2269262] that can be used at will, while omitting an outstanding "interesting history" of "cross-wiki" pioneering achievements, a clear violation of a NPOV in decision making, a gross personal attack, and a sorry display of blatant bad faith.

It is risible that after having failed to handle a request to unblock in a reasonable and timely fashion, so much zeal was taken in declining the unblock request[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2274254] "that already expired."[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2274254] Someone must be delusioning himself and deceiving others, thinking that closing the request when it was no longer relevant will instantly turn all wrongs into rights, just like magic.

Several things have been written here on Meta, in pages where I'm prevented from editing. The fact that those statements were not made or quoted in this talk page does not bode well for those user's good faith.

Let's start with the [[wikipedia:meta:Meta:Requests for adminship/PeterSymonds|RfA]] where this user had the audacity to cast the only visible dissenting vote. From there one may look at his comments on that [[wikipedia:meta:Meta talk:Requests for adminship/PeterSymonds|RfA talk page]]. At this point, please bear in mind that those two comments were the immediate pretext for a request for his"[[wikipedia:meta:Meta:Requests for help from a sysop or bureaucrat/Archives/2011-01#Vapmachado (talk • contribs) - ban request|inmediate & indef block]]" (sic) allegedly for "harassment", "continued hostile behavior", and "no intentions of amendment."

Now lets look at the events that unfolded on the [[wikipedia:meta:Meta:Requests for adminship/PeterSymonds|RfA]] '''after''' him being blocked.

There is an occurrence of this statement "I may think Vapmachado is wrong about just about everything and has little to no idea how Wikimedia works at all."[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2269599] The author may think what he wants, but he went a lot further when he wrote about it without any evidence to support the quoted statement. Therefore, it can only be taken for what it is: a convenient lie and a gratuitous attempt to smear the reputation of this user.

Next is a note that "this RfA was canvassed in foundation-l."[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2269583] followed by three comments. One editor argues that the RfA was "firstly mentioned their by the only opposer"[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2269591] as if it really matters who is on first and what's his vote. Then it is argued that it's not the nominee's "fault that people "discuss" this RfA there" a strange way to vouch for any election. As long as the candidate himself is not personally involved in any violation, the election is free and fair? The next editor doesn't get it much better. The RfA was not canvassed but "''anti''-canvassed"[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2269595]. Then, the author of the "anti-canvassing" is thanked "for having drawn my attention to [the RfA]." Conclusion: "drawing attention to an election" is not canvassing. That much was acknowledge in the third, and last comment. "I thank Vapmachado for having drawn my attention to it."[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2270068], while voting in the same breath. There's also a misleading "I don't think it appropriate to raise a meta RFA on foundation-l," contradicted by "Vapmachado didn't suggest anything: just posting some URLs including this page."

So the question remains. There was "canvassing," "anti-canvassing," or a post with "some URLs including this page." (the RfA)? As far as this user is concerned the fact that a link to a RfA and its talk page was included was purely circumstantial. What was posted was a request for assistance. It was on account of posts
made on an RfA and its talk page that the user was asking for whatever assistance was deemed appropriate and capable of being provided. The RfA was never an issue and he could care less how others voted.

That was not the case for three other users [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-January/063353.html], [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-January/063354.html], [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-January/063355.html], who raised this comment: "I'm not sure it's a good idea for others to post their support for Peter's admin nomination - merely on the basis of assuming that any given style of posting will be duplicated until it's a bad idea"[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-January/063362.html]. There was indeed some canvassing made by three different users, not this one.

It is on the post just mentioned above that there is another occurrence of a statement similar to the one already quoted: "I do think you have no understanding whatsoever of how Wikimedia works, in detail or broad
overview."[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-January/063362.html]

From then on, the election goes into a tailspin. The details can be found on the [[wikipedia:meta:Meta:Requests for adminship/PeterSymonds|RfA]] and its [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta:Requests_for_adminship/PeterSymonds&action=history history]. It would be fastidious to go into the details. Suffice it to say that, as already mentioned, the two comments on that [[wikipedia:meta:Meta_talk:Requests_for_adminship/PeterSymonds|RfA talk page]] were the immediate pretext for a request for an "[[wikipedia:meta:Meta:Requests for help from a sysop or bureaucrat#Vapmachado (talk • contribs) - ban request|inmediate & indef block]]" allegedly for "harassment", "continued hostile behavior", and "no intentions of amendment."

It is obvious, from reading those two comments,[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2268658] and [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2269251] that the accusations of "harassment" and "continued hostile behavior" are delusional. Please note that neither the accusing editor or anybody else have provided any evidence on which those accusations and block is based, providing answers to the six items listed a) through f), posted on this page since Jan. 5, but that they were aware much earlier, by the accuser's own post on the ban request.[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2269476]

As for intentions, you may look for them in hell, mostly of those that think it is great fun to make a mockery of a request for assistance, have an unruly, derogatory and outright abusive behavior on the Foundation-l mailing list, and have made a sport of attacking the reputation, honor and good name of this user. This user's good deeds on Wikimedia projects can be found a lot easier, but that's an inconvenient truth.

Discussion of what happened on the RfA is not complete until a look is taken at the RfA talk page. There, it can be found the third occurrence of this kind of statement: "I do think you're wrong about almost everything and have no working understanding whatsoever of Wikimedia or any of the projects."{{diff|2269605}} This insistence in stating what that user thinks and his "belief" can only be viewed as uncivil and a dissemination of mistrust. One must not forget that the author has recently made an unsavory post about the user[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-December/062850.html] that does not vouch for the good intentions or good faith, for all that matters, of "[[en:User:David_Gerard|a native speaker of BS]]."

With the assurance that attacking this user as a "troll" was safe and would go unpunished,{{diff|2268569}}, {{diff|2268573}}, {{diff|2268574}}, and {{diff|2268575}} and his complaints about those attacks,{{diff|2268658}} among other things, had only resulted in the user being "[[Meta:Requests for help from a sysop or bureaucrat#Vapmachado (talk • contribs) - ban request|inmediate & indef]]" blocked, there were great incentives to continue to call him a "troll," no matter how obnoxious the arguments.

"His persistence," a quality recognized by Horace, Benjamin Franklin, Calvin Coolidge, Alfred Adler, Eric Hoffer, James Whitcomb Riley, Thomas Carlyle, Napoleon Hill, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Abdul Kalam, Thomas A. Buckner, Arthur C. Clarke, Richard M. DeVos, Maya Angelou, in Japanese proverbs and those in many other languages, "makes him a persistent troll."{{diff|2269661}} and {{diff|2269663}} This is followed by a very detailed explanation of why "the term "troll" applies to his quite clearly in this case; he came to this RfA, opposed without a reason [...]" I beg you pardon, "opposed without a reason?" Sure it doesn't mean that a button was hit by accident? Good. Was it that "Strongly oppose" was written involuntarily? No? Good. Does it mean that no justification was written? Yes? Great. The correct phrase is "without justification," an undeniable fact and voluntary act. Wait, it gets better. "He came to this RfA, opposed without a reason with the sole intention of getting a reaction." Wow! That is quite remarkable. Here is someone who is capable of knowing with absolute certainty the intentions of others, just from reading two words in a RfA. How many of the readers think that this genius is not even aware of the ridicule he his exposing himself? Let's take the genius back. It certainly it's not his fault that he feels entitled to blurt "He then wasted his time and everyone else's by writing walls of text here." Not good, by a long shot. "The application of AGF [assume good faith] should never disrupt the wiki, as it was doing here." Here? Where exactly is "here", and what was the "disruption"? To vote "Strongly oppose"? Would just "oppose" have been less disruptive? Is it "writing walls of text" that "disrupt[s] the wiki? What will be this comment? An himalaya of text? My dear confused, this is not Twitter. If it was, it would not be a wiki, everybody's name would start with "@", the length of the messages would be limited to 140 characters, and we would all have been spared of this awful embarrassment. "That user was here solely to argue and get reactions of out people." Quite amazing indeed. "That is a troll." Sorry, wrong again. It must be a painful exercise to read more than one line of text. One way around that is to read a single line per day. Get over to this [[What is a troll?|wonderful essay]] and when ready let us all know who is or are the trolls "here." "He has been dealt with as one" will be mercifully also found wrong, once the appropriate section is reached in the essay mentioned. "Can we please move away from this discussion?" Wonderful question. Was someone or something holding you there? Most likely not. You lead. Finally, "This isn't what an RfA's talk page was meant for." "This" is exactly what? "An RfA's talk page [i]s meant" for what? Citation needed!

The above, very long paragraph is proportional to the absurdity of the commentary, and was written a bit in jest. It's difficult to write seriously about so much silliness. However, an important remark must be made. The comment might have been written by a really mean spirited creature, who by now is probably foaming at the mouth. Tough. It might have been written by a well intentioned soul, whose knowledge limitations prevent him for doing much better. This is just one more learning experience. Try a more kind approach, and you'll be taught much more and more gently. The most worrying cases are that this was written by a minor or a person with some sort of learning disability or low IQ. If that is the case, I must apologize, and would rather withdraw both of these two paragraphs and will make no comment whatsoever to those posts even if they are left to linger there, something someone should be paying attention to.

The [[Meta:Requests for help from a sysop or bureaucrat#Vapmachado (talk • contribs) - ban request|ban request]] was made and done in three minutes. There must have been a clear and present danger to the whole Wikimedia Foundation and its projects. It was faced with an imminent threat, instant, overwhelming, leaving no choice of means, and no moment for deliberation. It justified taking a preemptive self-defense ban against this user of mass destruction.

Notice the difference in response time: request to unblock{{diff|2162452}} ignored for almost three months, until after block expired;{{diff|2274254}} ban request{{diff|2269262}} done in three minutes.[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Vapmachado]

After it was requested and done, there is a brief but interesting and revealing dialog. The accuser posts a link to a Foundation-l thread, commenting "as expected."{{diff|2269476}} He reacts to that thread, "as the user has complained that what I quoted from his blocklog on ptwiki may turn out for being difamatory I have removed it from this thread & I excuse. It was probably not a good idea." On the next line, he writes that "I'm not suscribed to foundation-l."{{diff|2269534}} If, faced with this sequence of events, you come to the conclusion that the accuser was not acting alone, and was being used as a front, a pawn by somebody else, that's your conclusion, not mine. If you believe that the reason why it took only three minutes to ban this user was because it was pre-arranged outside the wiki, before the request, it's your belief, not mine. If you think that these two other interventions: one comment{{diff|2269489}} and a request to unblock denied after it "already expired"{{diff|2274254}}, both done by a third individual, were not a coincidence, because everything happens for a reason, you're very close to my own thinking, because I might agree with you.

Another coincidence comes to mind. On Christmas Eve, a request to undelete was posted on the Stewards' noticeboard. {{diff|2256018}} No action was taken for a week. On New Year's Eve some background was posted for the request.{{diff|2263201}} On King's Day, another post was planned to be added to the request to undelete. It would have the heading "History" and would tell the sequence of events that led to that abusive oversight. It was not meant to happen. A block "with an expiry time of infinite" was made on Jan. 5, but the conviction remains that the oversight was not made solely on a single page, but included several comments made on this user's talk page on the Portuguese Wikipedia. Those comments might have been a bit compromising, so they were doomed in order to leave no traces of the misdeed, except to the few who have access to them. For the rest of us, common mortals, the only way to find out, is from a positive response to the request to undelete. That of course would be a terrible blow to the principle of infallibility of the anointed ones, with unpredictable (or perhaps not) consequences. The last twist on that "fait divers" was it's manual archive, even before two weeks of the last post,{{diff|2280264}} by the same kindhearted soul that so gallantly did the block for three months.{{diff|2131346}}

Blocks "with an expiry time of infinite" have always looked mind boggling. They have also been subject to some great jokes. One must remember that there are four of those![http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=Vapmachado] Infinity is an awful long time. I don't expect to live that long. I hope that none of bright people that have blocked, and they are just right next to true geniuses, expect to live that long. How can someone explain that attachment to "infinity"? No one can come up with a better word? Ridiculous, isn't it?

Having experienced some weird actions (a.k.a. vandalism), being taken on my user page on the Portuguese Wikipedia by two very good friends, which have been discussed already here om Meta,{{diff|2108534}}, {{diff|2108600}}, {{diff|211188}} and {{diff|2112322}} I'm looking forward to see the future of this Meta user page. It has been a real privilege to be the only blocked user (or to be one of them, if I'm wrong) to have the user page vandalized and live to see it let standing there in that sorry state, as a witness to the hate and rage of a Wikimedia project administrators. What fine gentlemen they are.

Without bothering anyone with the importance of dialog, particularly on a wiki where no regular page comes without a talk or discussion page, it is in plain view for everybody to see that dialog is certainly not the cup of tea of the editors who have graced this narrative. There was a call for dialog, here on Meta, on Jan. 5{{diff|2269550}} and another on Foundation-l, on Jan. 6. [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-January/063382.html] There was no response to a suggestion to make the whole matter irrelevant. The users involved did not shown any willingness and openness to dialog, and accommodation. However, the accusation was changed, using a privilege that is denied to the user. Given the choice of erasing the strongly oppose vote and his comments on the talk page or being blocked, would the user have any hesitation in choosing the first option? Was a support vote what was so desired? Was unanimity in the voting what was really at stake? If the editor wanted to be administrator that badly, even under those appalling circumstances, and there has not been a single beep as to how he feels about all this "Much Ado About Nothing," what was the problem of extorting one more vote under the threat of an "inmediate & indef block"? The user would have given the "nominee" a thousand votes if he could and if that was what would make everybody happy, get some characters off his back, and let him contribute the best way he can and knows. But that was not in the cards that were being dealt. The above mentioned behavior makes it very hard to make certain users' good faith believable.

Just a cursory reading of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights[http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml] is enough to realize that people here have the utmost contempt for them. Besides the article already mentioned above, there's no "recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family [as] the foundation of freedom, justice and peace," there is "disregard and contempt for human rights [...] result[ing] in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief [as] freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people," that "it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law." There are gross violations of Articles 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12, 19, 21, 29 and 30 (out of 30): "Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein," just in case you were inclined to think that these rights do not apply here, to you or this user. He is, in case you forgot, a human being. What are you?

<youtube>u5um8QWWRvo</youtube>
RSA Animate - Smile or Die

On more than one occasion there has been a chance to draw from one's education and upbringing, and base both one's writings and actions on those. There has been either no reaction or the response has been negative, a rejection of many things held dear. Very recently there was an opportunity to watch "Smile or Die" on YouTube, and it struck as what might be a reasonable description of the underlying and prevalent behavior on Meta and other Wikimedia projects, that one has been unfortunate to get involved with.
Therefore, there was a search somewhere else for principles that, despite some good intentions and well meaning cranks like oneself, might better describe what actually goes on in Wikimedia projects. Consider these:[http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/Eleven.html]

[[File:Azazel clean purple.png|thumb|300px|right|A depiction of Azazel in his familiar form of a goat-like demon, from Collin de Plancy's Dictionnaire Infernal (Paris,1825).]]
# Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
# Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
# When in another wiki, show respect or else do not go there.
# If a user in your wiki annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
# Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
# Do not edit that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
# Acknowledge the power of administrators and stewards if you have relied on them successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of administrators and stewards having called upon them with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
# Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
# Do not harm little children.
# Do not destroy bots unless you are attacked or for your editing.
# When editing, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

Now tell me: what could possibly go wrong if you behave as prescribed above and follow those commandments? Wouldn't you be a true wikimedian?

If there are any questions, please feel free to ask, but remember to do your share in providing some answers to the many questions asked above.

On Jan. 5, the accuser produced this perplexing statement: "If the user wants to appeal his ban it is his talk page the proper venue I think."{{diff|2269534}} Why perplexing? Because the author is a Meta administrator, bureaucrat, checkuser and steward. That's as close to being a god or demigod as it gets around these parts. So how come he mentions an "appeal" instead of a "request"? Does he think they are the same thing, i.e. synonyms? Nor even in the Wikitionary he would have such luck. Then he "thinks" that the talk page is the proper venue? What? Almost a demigod and he "thinks"? Isn't he supposed to know these things, to be infallible? Well, despite this disappointment, there's no need to deprive the owners of this wiki of another chance to show off their superpowers and superiority. At the end you will find the best unblock request a simple human being can produce.

Before closing, there's a secret you all must know: these wikis are not really yours. They are ours. You have only accepted to do some tasks voluntarily for our benefit, not yours. When you fail to properly discharge your duties, you can no longer be trusted and you become expendable. For further advice, read about Cuddles.[http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:P%C3%A1ginas_para_eliminar/M80&diff=11261558&oldid=11252321] The Night of the Long Knives is also very entertaining.

Wutsje blocked Vapmachado with an expiry time of infinite (per [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=2269262#Vapmachado_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs.29_-_ban_request])

"Your current IP address is 68.201.42.143 and the block ID is #15438."

'''Comment''' - Just a tip; when you are requesting to be unblocked, it is not usually good practice to not only insult those who blocked you, but also to continue what you were doing on that RfA talk page amounts other places - writing paragraphs upon paragraphs in which you manipulate what people say and do for no other reason to cause an argument. That is trolling, and that is not acceptable here. That being said, it is possible to not like how a system works and want to change it. However, there is a certain way of approaching a situation like that - and being insulting, baiting other users into responding and constant manipulation of people and policies is ''not'' the way to do it. [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]] ([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|Talk]]) 01:24, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

'''Comment''' - I'd like to add that afaic this unblock request (which I will not handle myself for obvious reasons) once more proves that blocking this user was both justified and necessary. It is hard to see how a stream of insults and provocations like the above ([[:en:Night of the Long Knives|The Night of the Long Knives]]? huh?) could have any other purposes than downright trolling and the disruption of another Wikimedia project. This user's intentions are [http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=Vapmachado quite clear] and they are not constructive at all. [[User:Wutsje|Wutsje]] 01:50, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
:Just a note: at least on Portuguese Wikibooks, the [[b:pt:Especial:Contribuições/Vapmachado|contributions made by Vapmachado]], as well as his comments on local discussions are very constructive to the project. [[b:pt:User:Helder.wiki|Helder]] 14:52, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

'''Comment''' ''these wikis are not really yours. They are ours. You have only accepted to do some tasks '''voluntarily''' for our benefit, not yours''. Doing volunteer job is NOT Carte blanche to be insulted. You are not allowed to insult many people who wholeheartedly are working for benefit of OURS [[User:Mardetanha|Mardetanha]] [[user_talk:Mardetanha|talk]] 02:10, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

{{unblock declined|1=Block based on a slanderous request, with no evidence of "harassment" and "continued hostile behavior" provided, after posting a request for such information, ten days ago. |2=Reviewing this I see no benefit to Meta in allowing this user to continue to behave in the way they have. If there is any further abusive editing of this talk page it should be protected and, I think, it should be blanked other than with a block statement fairly soon. [[User:Herbythyme|Herby]] [[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]] 13:18, 16 January 2011 (UTC)}}

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Vapmachado: A modern interpretation of Azazel as a Satanic, goatlike demon, Dictionnaire Infernal (Paris,1825) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Azazel_clean_purple.png Public domain

A modern interpretation of Azazel as a Satanic, goatlike demon, Dictionnaire Infernal (Paris,1825)

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Public domain

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2011-07-20T02:15:06Z

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The_Writings_of_Charles_Dickens_v1_p4_(engraving)

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Wikimedia Outreach

2011-07-20T01:57:14Z

Vapmachado: /* Last chapter */ *wiki

[[File:Yellowstone tourist stands on a precipice..jpg|thumb|300px|right|Standing on the edge of the precipice]]
I learned about the Wikimedia Outreach account creation improvement project from a good friend and fellow wikimedian on Jan. 11, 2011. He sent me a link to [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frank_Schulenburg Frank Schulenburg], Sep. 18, 2010, presentation on [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Account_creation_on_Wikipedia_and_Facebook.pdf Account creation on Wikipedia and Facebook]. Having been dealing with account creation problems on Wikimedia projects for four years, the case for improvement was made very clearly in that presentation. When I read Lennart Guldbrandsson a.k.a [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal] post to the Foundation-l mailing list, Feb. 11, 2011, on [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-February/063837.html How should we greet newcomers?] I was looking forward to see how much progress had been made.

Wikimedia Outreach was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation#Projects launched Oct. 2009] and its [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page main page] is very appealing. It welcomes you with "Outreach Wiki needs you." Then, there is a subtle change from [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia "backstage" project], wiki, bookshelf to an unknown first person plural entity whose mission is defined as "to recruit and support new Wikimedians and to build strong relationships with cultural and educational institutions." Renewed emphasis is given to the fact that "they" "need your help in making this collaborative platform bigger, better and more useful." That "if you think you can help, great. There's plenty left to do." "Build the wiki," "Find an initiative," "Attend an event," and last but not least "Discuss the movement." Discuss is nice.

It (or "they") have several initiatives, among them the "Ambassador Program," "Account Creation Improvement Project," "Best practices," "Student clubs," and "Success stories." They all had a personal appeal and they were five out of a total of eight initiatives. That's what it (or "they") said: "Outreach needs you to reach out." by getting " involved in a project (i.e. initiative - confusing nomenclature and nomenklatura seems to come with the territory). While there are eight initiatives, there are nine projects: eight initiatives plus one draft. You are also welcome to "discuss operations with other users at "their" village pump!" Discuss operations is very interesting.

The "community" is also organized according to the users' skills. Language skills came first. Information was a bit chaotic, but there were no speakers of Portuguese of any kind. Other skills listed were "project management," "teaching," "media production," and "press experience level." Professional level in the first three skills, advanced in the forth one. Cool.

On to find out how much progress had been made, by Feb. 11, 2011, on [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-February/063837.html How should we greet newcomers?]. This was on the "[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Testing_content&oldid=9004 Account Creation Improvement Project/Testing content]" page, available at the time, while one could also "read more about the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&oldid=8998 Account Creation Improvement Project]." "Please edit those pages as though they were your own wiki. Make yourself at
home on the Outreach wiki." Wrote Lennart. Wow! I was in awe. This project and/or these guys had the right stuff.

== The user page ==

[[File:Feared dog.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Puppy dog]]
Sometime around Feb. 21, 2011, I dutifully logged in to [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia Outreach] and proceeded to create my user page. The model seemed to have been [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado my user page on Meta] minus the user boxes that would not work and the «damage» that I have caused on that project until being [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat/Archives/2011-01#Vapmachado_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs.29_-_ban_request immediately blocked] (done in three minutes) [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Vapmachado with an expiry time of infinite]. Instead, I gave fair warning of my terrible reputation, since a dear friend of mine, who is a sysop, ex-bureaucrat and checkuser of the pt.wiki, was careful enough to publicize in 12 of 19 edits that I was either banned or blocked in the pt.wiki, while never mentioning a single accomplishment of mine on pt.wiki or any other Wikimedia project.[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat/Archives/2010-09#Request_for_review_of_User:Teles] He follows me everywhere I go like a good pet. As soon has I started to participate in [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:March_2011_Update this discussion], [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado at 2:19, on March 13, 2011], a little over 24 hours later, [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Teles at 4:10, March 14], he started editing on the same project, allegedly "[http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Teles to help on vandalism combat]," presumably from this vandal. Why does your pet dog follow you everywhere you go? Because [http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_your_dog_follow_you_everywhere_you_go they love you and want your company].

There are no public traces of the creation of my user page and its contents. Not in the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Vapmachado&action=history history of the user page] or in the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado user contributions]. It has been "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Oversight oversight(ed)]". [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frank_Schulenburg Frank Schulenburg], the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Frank_Schulenburg&diff=prev&oldid=10029 knows about this]. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hannibal&diff=prev&oldid=10030 So does] Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal]. Neither have done anything whatsoever to undo the oversight which still stands, as of this writing.

== Talk:Account Creation Improvement Project ==

With my user page created, I proceeded to make a comment on the above talk page, under the title "Clueless":

Please forgive me for intruding. I received a message posted by Lennart Guldbrandsson on foundation-l@list and was totally amazed by the pages' titles. They all had in common «Landing page» and that's how Lennart called them but they all contained different versions of the "Welcome message". That is very fine and interesting work, but I thought your project was dealing, as the name says, with "Account Creation". I believe Frank Schulenburg present the case for improvement very clearly in his "Account creation on Wikipedia and Facebook" pdf. It is amazing how people are still finding and clicking on "Create one" on [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Main_Page UserLogin], "crear una nueva cuenta." on [http://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Especial:Entrar&returnto=Wikipedia:Portada Entrar], "Créer un compte (facultatif)" on [http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial:Connexion&returnto=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal Connexion], or "Pode criar uma." on [http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Especial:Entrar&returnto=Wikip%C3%A9dia:P%C3%A1gina_principal Entrar]. Is this one more case of a project with a clear, well defined and narrow objective going completely haywire?

To save us all some valuable time, if you don't like these kind of questions and only welcome praise and pats in the back go ahead and block me to infinite right away, that will be fine with me for all I care.

Best regards,

Virgilio A. P. Machado

Vapmachado (talk) 00:45, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Again, there are no public traces of me having made that comment. Not in the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&action=history history of the talk page] or in the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado user contributions]. It was also "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Oversight oversight(ed)]", and again [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frank_Schulenburg Frank Schulenburg], the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Frank_Schulenburg&diff=prev&oldid=10029 knows about this], [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hannibal&diff=prev&oldid=10030 as well as] Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal]. Neither have done anything whatsoever to undo the oversight which still stands, as of this writing.

== Deletion and redacting ==

When I revisited Wikimedia Outreach, my user page had been deleted, my own name suppressed from my message and replaced by (Redacted).[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=9583&oldid=9577] An user that goes by the name of [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mono Mono] had deleted my user page and my own name from my message, replacing it with (Redacted). Mono is a strange choice of user name if your mother tongue is Portuguese. It [http://www.priberam.pt/DLPO/default.aspx?pal=mono means] monkey, an ugly, somber, stupid, unskilled individual, outdated merchandise, and also rag doll. He had been very active in the project since the beginning of the year. The project owed him a great deal for all his volunteer work, I realized that Wikimedia Outreach was just another typical Wikimedia project, and I wasn't willing to participate and get involved in another one of those. I deleted my comment, left (Redacted) in its place and moved on. There are no traces of this edit for the reasons already explained.

== Hannnibal strikes back ==

[[File:Wikipedia Academy Stockholm 2009 Lennart Guldbrandsson_800px.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal]]]
Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal] decided that he should be the one to decide where I should comment or not and [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=9587&oldid=9583 undid] my deletion of my own comment, with the argument "let's try to keep the discussion." [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=next&oldid=9587 adding a few lines], under the guise of answering my question.

Later that evening, Mono was busy [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=9609&oldid=9589 fixing his previous work] and [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vapmachado&action=history creating my user talk page] to let me know that "I have suppressed your user page, due to inappropriate personal information, such as phone numbers, home addresses, workplaces, etc. If you have any questions, please contact me. Mono (talk) 19:00, 21 February 2011 (UTC)".

== Sue Gardner as special guest ==

On March 1st, since I wasn't allowed to deleted my own comment, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=prev&oldid=10027 I crossed it all out] adding "Sorry. My mistake. Wrong project. Vapmachado (talk) 03:37, 1 March 2011 (UTC)" and summarizing my action as "Withdrawal of comment with apologies". This is the first action that is pubicly visible as my [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado user contributions].

I proceeded to "[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mono&diff=prev&oldid=10028 Thank (Mono) so much for a job well done]", writing "If you have any answers you would like to give someone, give them to Sue Gardner [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=9577&oldid=9299] :

[[File:SueGardner.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Sue Gardner, Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation.]]
"It's particularly hard to assess new editors' motivations and likelihood of sticking around productively when they don't have a userpage or their userpage doesn't have much information on it."

"I'd say that it'd be a service to all editors, if we could persuade new editors to offer at least some basic information about themselves. Premise being, even the act of providing the information would help us understand the new editor is serious (probably not a vandal, probably not a prankster), and the information that they give us might help us coach/orient/support them."

"To that end, I think it would be helpful for us to ask new editors to (optionally) tell us their gender, their age, the country they live in, and perhaps a little about their interests. We might also ask them to self-identify if they have expertise in a particular subject-matter. All that information would help Recent Changes Patrollers identify new editors who are non-vandals and non-pranksters, and it would also enable experienced editors find people they could usefully coach and support."

"I have also been thinking about whether we might want to encourage the use of userboxes or templates for new editor userpages, identifying those editors as new (and therefore calling for special leniency and encouragement), and possibly identifying them as members of groups that are underrepresented on Wikipedia (ie., women, editors outside Europe and North America, older editors, etc.). Userboxes/templates like that might already exist, in which case I think it might be a service to automate placing 'new editor' labels on new userpages, and to make 'underrepresented group' labels easier for new people to find and put on their pages."

Sue Gradner had written all this on a comment just before my question on the same talk page.

My farewell message to Mono: "Go ahead. Make my day. Do to Sue Gardner what you did to me. This is her "main user page": [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sue_Gardner User:Sue Gardner]. What an opportunity to show how a gutsy person you are.

Enjoy yourself. Virgilio A. P. Machado Vapmachado (talk) 03:57, 1 March 2011 (UTC)"

Messages were left to Frank Schulenburg, the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach and Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. Hannibal: "[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mono&diff=prev&oldid=10028 For your information]"

"You'll need to have a look at everything that "has been removed from public view" to get a full picture. Please remember to drop me a line that all has your full approval. You might not want to upset one of your more dedicated volunteers. On the other end it might be time to remove that line "Outreach Wiki needs you." It sounds so out of place. Have fun. Virgilio A. P. Machado. Vapmachado (talk) 04:12, 1 March 2011 (UTC)".

== Last chapter ==

Later that March 1st, Mono had this much to say:

"The views expressed by Sue Gardner do not necessarily reflect the standing consensus on Wikimedia projects. I have restored your userpage, but please keep in mind that actions I took reflect the idea that the safety of Wikimedia contributors is a top priority. Thank you. Mono (talk) 20:48, 1 March 2011 (UTC)"

Restored my user page he had, just a few minutes before, 20:44, 1 March 2011, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Vapmachado&action=history with this quite amazing summary]: "restoring per request, it appears this user intended to out himself, removing personal address".

[[File:Frank Schulenburg June08_800px.JPG|thumb|300px|right|[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frank_Schulenburg Frank Schulenburg], the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach]]
While Frank Schulenburg, the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach, was doing his best to stay out of the fray, it was left to Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. Hannibal, to [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hannibal&diff=10078&oldid=10030 try to make amends], with some standard fare and a couple of lines addressing the situation that had developed or in his own words "background and answer":

"Hello,
Thanks for your input. I have looked this situation over, and while I do not control this wiki any more than anyone else, I can tell you what my experience is in these kinds of situations: after more than ten years, Wikipedia and its sister projects have developed such a complex universe of opinions and policies that no-one can really be said to follow every guideline at any point. One editor may focus more on quality, and another on users' feelings. No-one, and both, are right. But since we need to co-exist here, we should each of us, take pains in understand the other one before we make drastic decisions. And I think that Sue concurs with me.

Let me rephrase it a little bit for clarity's sake: the first years Wikipedia existed, the goal was simply to have articles on every subject and people tried to get as many edits as they could. Then another phase came along, where most everybody was concerned with quality: they added more and more sources, and tried to get more scientists to contribute. Around 2009, the third phase started to grow, but it wasn't until 2011 that it has really come into full effect, and it is still not the dominant way of thinking, namely that we should focus on the users. After all, it's the users that create the content. We are right now in the process of [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap trying to get more women to contribute to Wikipedia and its sister projects], for instance, At the same time, there are users who have been present since the beginning, and we shouldn't ignore their needs and wants either. And the compromise here is very difficult - for everybody. Not just for the newcomers who come into a culture that is well-established and complex and yes, a little rough sometimes, but for the veterans, who have seen every attempt at change Wikipedia before, and who have had good results with their present methods. Sue (and I) represent those who have looked at the developments here, and [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap try to see how Wikipedia should (and need to) evolve in the upcoming years].

In conclusion, now that Mono has restored your user page and explained his/her reason for removing it in the first place, I trust that the situation has resolved itself, and that we all can get back to being productive both here and on other Wikimedia projects. Good luck//Hannibal (talk) 08:55, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== End of story ==

Let's get back to Mono's summary of 20:44, 1 March 2011, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Vapmachado&action=history with this quite amazing text]: "restoring per request, it appears this user intended to out himself, removing personal address".

I made no request for my user page to be restored. Allegedly, someone did (your guess is as good as mine) and was obeyed, making it sound more like an order than a request.

A most outlandish, gross, out of place and inappropriate comment was made ("it appears this user intended to out himself"). My user page did not out me, neither was that my intent. The same kind of information is available all over the Wikimedia projects and on the Web in general. I write my comments using my professional name (Virgilio A. P. Machado), an imperfect printed form of my signature of some 50 years (Vapmachado) and I've been a public figure for more than 35 years, with information about me in print and, more recently, in the Web. I've been "outed" a long time ago, and was never a closet anything.

[[File:La Conner, WA - P.O. boxes_800px.jpg|thumb|300px|right|P. O. Boxes, by Joe Mabel]]
Still eager to pick on something, Mono decided that "Apartado 313, 2826-801 Caparica" is my personal address, which he promptly remove while restoring my user page, leaving his famous mark "(Redacted)" in it's place. Well I regret to have to let you know that "Apartado 313, 2826-801 Caparica" is not my "personal address". It's one of my many mailing addresses. "Apartado" is the Portuguese word for Post Office or P.O. Box, and I can assure you that I never lived there. I hope to contribute to someone's knowledge of Portuguese, by leting you know that there are several ways to write "Apartment" in Portuguese, including "Apartamento", but again "Apartado" is not one of them. Furthermore if you want to know my address, I'm in the book, the phonebook, and if you want my number(s) all you have to do is call information. When you have nothing to hide or be ashamed of, there's no need to hide yourself. Besides, I happen to live in a civilized country, a bit on the poor side, but civilized.

== Moral of the story ==

There is no way I'm going to participate and get involved in anything where I have to put up with that kind of behavior from people that have a final say on anything I write. The same people that are holding hostages those that should and probably know better but don't have the guts to "fire" a volunteer. As long as he or she is slaving it out, they can keep collecting their fat paychecks.

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."--Matthew v:3.

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Vapmachado: /* Hannnibal strikes back */ *wiki

[[File:Yellowstone tourist stands on a precipice..jpg|thumb|300px|right|Standing on the edge of the precipice]]
I learned about the Wikimedia Outreach account creation improvement project from a good friend and fellow wikimedian on Jan. 11, 2011. He sent me a link to [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frank_Schulenburg Frank Schulenburg], Sep. 18, 2010, presentation on [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Account_creation_on_Wikipedia_and_Facebook.pdf Account creation on Wikipedia and Facebook]. Having been dealing with account creation problems on Wikimedia projects for four years, the case for improvement was made very clearly in that presentation. When I read Lennart Guldbrandsson a.k.a [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal] post to the Foundation-l mailing list, Feb. 11, 2011, on [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-February/063837.html How should we greet newcomers?] I was looking forward to see how much progress had been made.

Wikimedia Outreach was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation#Projects launched Oct. 2009] and its [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page main page] is very appealing. It welcomes you with "Outreach Wiki needs you." Then, there is a subtle change from [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia "backstage" project], wiki, bookshelf to an unknown first person plural entity whose mission is defined as "to recruit and support new Wikimedians and to build strong relationships with cultural and educational institutions." Renewed emphasis is given to the fact that "they" "need your help in making this collaborative platform bigger, better and more useful." That "if you think you can help, great. There's plenty left to do." "Build the wiki," "Find an initiative," "Attend an event," and last but not least "Discuss the movement." Discuss is nice.

It (or "they") have several initiatives, among them the "Ambassador Program," "Account Creation Improvement Project," "Best practices," "Student clubs," and "Success stories." They all had a personal appeal and they were five out of a total of eight initiatives. That's what it (or "they") said: "Outreach needs you to reach out." by getting " involved in a project (i.e. initiative - confusing nomenclature and nomenklatura seems to come with the territory). While there are eight initiatives, there are nine projects: eight initiatives plus one draft. You are also welcome to "discuss operations with other users at "their" village pump!" Discuss operations is very interesting.

The "community" is also organized according to the users' skills. Language skills came first. Information was a bit chaotic, but there were no speakers of Portuguese of any kind. Other skills listed were "project management," "teaching," "media production," and "press experience level." Professional level in the first three skills, advanced in the forth one. Cool.

On to find out how much progress had been made, by Feb. 11, 2011, on [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-February/063837.html How should we greet newcomers?]. This was on the "[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Testing_content&oldid=9004 Account Creation Improvement Project/Testing content]" page, available at the time, while one could also "read more about the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&oldid=8998 Account Creation Improvement Project]." "Please edit those pages as though they were your own wiki. Make yourself at
home on the Outreach wiki." Wrote Lennart. Wow! I was in awe. This project and/or these guys had the right stuff.

== The user page ==

[[File:Feared dog.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Puppy dog]]
Sometime around Feb. 21, 2011, I dutifully logged in to [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia Outreach] and proceeded to create my user page. The model seemed to have been [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado my user page on Meta] minus the user boxes that would not work and the «damage» that I have caused on that project until being [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat/Archives/2011-01#Vapmachado_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs.29_-_ban_request immediately blocked] (done in three minutes) [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Vapmachado with an expiry time of infinite]. Instead, I gave fair warning of my terrible reputation, since a dear friend of mine, who is a sysop, ex-bureaucrat and checkuser of the pt.wiki, was careful enough to publicize in 12 of 19 edits that I was either banned or blocked in the pt.wiki, while never mentioning a single accomplishment of mine on pt.wiki or any other Wikimedia project.[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat/Archives/2010-09#Request_for_review_of_User:Teles] He follows me everywhere I go like a good pet. As soon has I started to participate in [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:March_2011_Update this discussion], [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado at 2:19, on March 13, 2011], a little over 24 hours later, [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Teles at 4:10, March 14], he started editing on the same project, allegedly "[http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Teles to help on vandalism combat]," presumably from this vandal. Why does your pet dog follow you everywhere you go? Because [http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_your_dog_follow_you_everywhere_you_go they love you and want your company].

There are no public traces of the creation of my user page and its contents. Not in the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Vapmachado&action=history history of the user page] or in the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado user contributions]. It has been "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Oversight oversight(ed)]". [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frank_Schulenburg Frank Schulenburg], the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Frank_Schulenburg&diff=prev&oldid=10029 knows about this]. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hannibal&diff=prev&oldid=10030 So does] Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal]. Neither have done anything whatsoever to undo the oversight which still stands, as of this writing.

== Talk:Account Creation Improvement Project ==

With my user page created, I proceeded to make a comment on the above talk page, under the title "Clueless":

Please forgive me for intruding. I received a message posted by Lennart Guldbrandsson on foundation-l@list and was totally amazed by the pages' titles. They all had in common «Landing page» and that's how Lennart called them but they all contained different versions of the "Welcome message". That is very fine and interesting work, but I thought your project was dealing, as the name says, with "Account Creation". I believe Frank Schulenburg present the case for improvement very clearly in his "Account creation on Wikipedia and Facebook" pdf. It is amazing how people are still finding and clicking on "Create one" on [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Main_Page UserLogin], "crear una nueva cuenta." on [http://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Especial:Entrar&returnto=Wikipedia:Portada Entrar], "Créer un compte (facultatif)" on [http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial:Connexion&returnto=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal Connexion], or "Pode criar uma." on [http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Especial:Entrar&returnto=Wikip%C3%A9dia:P%C3%A1gina_principal Entrar]. Is this one more case of a project with a clear, well defined and narrow objective going completely haywire?

To save us all some valuable time, if you don't like these kind of questions and only welcome praise and pats in the back go ahead and block me to infinite right away, that will be fine with me for all I care.

Best regards,

Virgilio A. P. Machado

Vapmachado (talk) 00:45, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Again, there are no public traces of me having made that comment. Not in the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&action=history history of the talk page] or in the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado user contributions]. It was also "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Oversight oversight(ed)]", and again [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frank_Schulenburg Frank Schulenburg], the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Frank_Schulenburg&diff=prev&oldid=10029 knows about this], [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hannibal&diff=prev&oldid=10030 as well as] Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal]. Neither have done anything whatsoever to undo the oversight which still stands, as of this writing.

== Deletion and redacting ==

When I revisited Wikimedia Outreach, my user page had been deleted, my own name suppressed from my message and replaced by (Redacted).[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=9583&oldid=9577] An user that goes by the name of [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mono Mono] had deleted my user page and my own name from my message, replacing it with (Redacted). Mono is a strange choice of user name if your mother tongue is Portuguese. It [http://www.priberam.pt/DLPO/default.aspx?pal=mono means] monkey, an ugly, somber, stupid, unskilled individual, outdated merchandise, and also rag doll. He had been very active in the project since the beginning of the year. The project owed him a great deal for all his volunteer work, I realized that Wikimedia Outreach was just another typical Wikimedia project, and I wasn't willing to participate and get involved in another one of those. I deleted my comment, left (Redacted) in its place and moved on. There are no traces of this edit for the reasons already explained.

== Hannnibal strikes back ==

[[File:Wikipedia Academy Stockholm 2009 Lennart Guldbrandsson_800px.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal]]]
Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal] decided that he should be the one to decide where I should comment or not and [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=9587&oldid=9583 undid] my deletion of my own comment, with the argument "let's try to keep the discussion." [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=next&oldid=9587 adding a few lines], under the guise of answering my question.

Later that evening, Mono was busy [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=9609&oldid=9589 fixing his previous work] and [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vapmachado&action=history creating my user talk page] to let me know that "I have suppressed your user page, due to inappropriate personal information, such as phone numbers, home addresses, workplaces, etc. If you have any questions, please contact me. Mono (talk) 19:00, 21 February 2011 (UTC)".

== Sue Gardner as special guest ==

On March 1st, since I wasn't allowed to deleted my own comment, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=prev&oldid=10027 I crossed it all out] adding "Sorry. My mistake. Wrong project. Vapmachado (talk) 03:37, 1 March 2011 (UTC)" and summarizing my action as "Withdrawal of comment with apologies". This is the first action that is pubicly visible as my [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado user contributions].

I proceeded to "[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mono&diff=prev&oldid=10028 Thank (Mono) so much for a job well done]", writing "If you have any answers you would like to give someone, give them to Sue Gardner [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=9577&oldid=9299] :

[[File:SueGardner.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Sue Gardner, Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation.]]
"It's particularly hard to assess new editors' motivations and likelihood of sticking around productively when they don't have a userpage or their userpage doesn't have much information on it."

"I'd say that it'd be a service to all editors, if we could persuade new editors to offer at least some basic information about themselves. Premise being, even the act of providing the information would help us understand the new editor is serious (probably not a vandal, probably not a prankster), and the information that they give us might help us coach/orient/support them."

"To that end, I think it would be helpful for us to ask new editors to (optionally) tell us their gender, their age, the country they live in, and perhaps a little about their interests. We might also ask them to self-identify if they have expertise in a particular subject-matter. All that information would help Recent Changes Patrollers identify new editors who are non-vandals and non-pranksters, and it would also enable experienced editors find people they could usefully coach and support."

"I have also been thinking about whether we might want to encourage the use of userboxes or templates for new editor userpages, identifying those editors as new (and therefore calling for special leniency and encouragement), and possibly identifying them as members of groups that are underrepresented on Wikipedia (ie., women, editors outside Europe and North America, older editors, etc.). Userboxes/templates like that might already exist, in which case I think it might be a service to automate placing 'new editor' labels on new userpages, and to make 'underrepresented group' labels easier for new people to find and put on their pages."

Sue Gradner had written all this on a comment just before my question on the same talk page.

My farewell message to Mono: "Go ahead. Make my day. Do to Sue Gardner what you did to me. This is her "main user page": [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sue_Gardner User:Sue Gardner]. What an opportunity to show how a gutsy person you are.

Enjoy yourself. Virgilio A. P. Machado Vapmachado (talk) 03:57, 1 March 2011 (UTC)"

Messages were left to Frank Schulenburg, the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach and Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. Hannibal: "[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mono&diff=prev&oldid=10028 For your information]"

"You'll need to have a look at everything that "has been removed from public view" to get a full picture. Please remember to drop me a line that all has your full approval. You might not want to upset one of your more dedicated volunteers. On the other end it might be time to remove that line "Outreach Wiki needs you." It sounds so out of place. Have fun. Virgilio A. P. Machado. Vapmachado (talk) 04:12, 1 March 2011 (UTC)".

== Last chapter ==

Later that March 1st, Mono had this much to say:

"The views expressed by Sue Gardner do not necessarily reflect the standing consensus on Wikimedia projects. I have restored your userpage, but please keep in mind that actions I took reflect the idea that the safety of Wikimedia contributors is a top priority. Thank you. Mono (talk) 20:48, 1 March 2011 (UTC)"

Restored my user page he had, just a few minutes before, 20:44, 1 March 2011, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Vapmachado&action=history with this quite amazing summary]: "restoring per request, it appears this user intended to out himself, removing personal address".

[[File:800px-Frank Schulenburg June08.JPG|thumb|300px|right|[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frank_Schulenburg Frank Schulenburg], the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach]]
While Frank Schulenburg, the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach, was doing his best to stay out of the fray, it was left to Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. Hannibal, to [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hannibal&diff=10078&oldid=10030 try to make amends], with some standard fare and a couple of lines addressing the situation that had developed or in his own words "background and answer":

"Hello,
Thanks for your input. I have looked this situation over, and while I do not control this wiki any more than anyone else, I can tell you what my experience is in these kinds of situations: after more than ten years, Wikipedia and its sister projects have developed such a complex universe of opinions and policies that no-one can really be said to follow every guideline at any point. One editor may focus more on quality, and another on users' feelings. No-one, and both, are right. But since we need to co-exist here, we should each of us, take pains in understand the other one before we make drastic decisions. And I think that Sue concurs with me.

Let me rephrase it a little bit for clarity's sake: the first years Wikipedia existed, the goal was simply to have articles on every subject and people tried to get as many edits as they could. Then another phase came along, where most everybody was concerned with quality: they added more and more sources, and tried to get more scientists to contribute. Around 2009, the third phase started to grow, but it wasn't until 2011 that it has really come into full effect, and it is still not the dominant way of thinking, namely that we should focus on the users. After all, it's the users that create the content. We are right now in the process of [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap trying to get more women to contribute to Wikipedia and its sister projects], for instance, At the same time, there are users who have been present since the beginning, and we shouldn't ignore their needs and wants either. And the compromise here is very difficult - for everybody. Not just for the newcomers who come into a culture that is well-established and complex and yes, a little rough sometimes, but for the veterans, who have seen every attempt at change Wikipedia before, and who have had good results with their present methods. Sue (and I) represent those who have looked at the developments here, and [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap try to see how Wikipedia should (and need to) evolve in the upcoming years].

In conclusion, now that Mono has restored your user page and explained his/her reason for removing it in the first place, I trust that the situation has resolved itself, and that we all can get back to being productive both here and on other Wikimedia projects. Good luck//Hannibal (talk) 08:55, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== End of story ==

Let's get back to Mono's summary of 20:44, 1 March 2011, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Vapmachado&action=history with this quite amazing text]: "restoring per request, it appears this user intended to out himself, removing personal address".

I made no request for my user page to be restored. Allegedly, someone did (your guess is as good as mine) and was obeyed, making it sound more like an order than a request.

A most outlandish, gross, out of place and inappropriate comment was made ("it appears this user intended to out himself"). My user page did not out me, neither was that my intent. The same kind of information is available all over the Wikimedia projects and on the Web in general. I write my comments using my professional name (Virgilio A. P. Machado), an imperfect printed form of my signature of some 50 years (Vapmachado) and I've been a public figure for more than 35 years, with information about me in print and, more recently, in the Web. I've been "outed" a long time ago, and was never a closet anything.

[[File:La Conner, WA - P.O. boxes_800px.jpg|thumb|300px|right|P. O. Boxes, by Joe Mabel]]
Still eager to pick on something, Mono decided that "Apartado 313, 2826-801 Caparica" is my personal address, which he promptly remove while restoring my user page, leaving his famous mark "(Redacted)" in it's place. Well I regret to have to let you know that "Apartado 313, 2826-801 Caparica" is not my "personal address". It's one of my many mailing addresses. "Apartado" is the Portuguese word for Post Office or P.O. Box, and I can assure you that I never lived there. I hope to contribute to someone's knowledge of Portuguese, by leting you know that there are several ways to write "Apartment" in Portuguese, including "Apartamento", but again "Apartado" is not one of them. Furthermore if you want to know my address, I'm in the book, the phonebook, and if you want my number(s) all you have to do is call information. When you have nothing to hide or be ashamed of, there's no need to hide yourself. Besides, I happen to live in a civilized country, a bit on the poor side, but civilized.

== Moral of the story ==

There is no way I'm going to participate and get involved in anything where I have to put up with that kind of behavior from people that have a final say on anything I write. The same people that are holding hostages those that should and probably know better but don't have the guts to "fire" a volunteer. As long as he or she is slaving it out, they can keep collecting their fat paychecks.

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."--Matthew v:3.

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Wikimedia Outreach

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Vapmachado: /* Sue Gardner as special guest */ *wiki

[[File:Yellowstone tourist stands on a precipice..jpg|thumb|300px|right|Standing on the edge of the precipice]]
I learned about the Wikimedia Outreach account creation improvement project from a good friend and fellow wikimedian on Jan. 11, 2011. He sent me a link to [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frank_Schulenburg Frank Schulenburg], Sep. 18, 2010, presentation on [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Account_creation_on_Wikipedia_and_Facebook.pdf Account creation on Wikipedia and Facebook]. Having been dealing with account creation problems on Wikimedia projects for four years, the case for improvement was made very clearly in that presentation. When I read Lennart Guldbrandsson a.k.a [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal] post to the Foundation-l mailing list, Feb. 11, 2011, on [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-February/063837.html How should we greet newcomers?] I was looking forward to see how much progress had been made.

Wikimedia Outreach was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation#Projects launched Oct. 2009] and its [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page main page] is very appealing. It welcomes you with "Outreach Wiki needs you." Then, there is a subtle change from [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia "backstage" project], wiki, bookshelf to an unknown first person plural entity whose mission is defined as "to recruit and support new Wikimedians and to build strong relationships with cultural and educational institutions." Renewed emphasis is given to the fact that "they" "need your help in making this collaborative platform bigger, better and more useful." That "if you think you can help, great. There's plenty left to do." "Build the wiki," "Find an initiative," "Attend an event," and last but not least "Discuss the movement." Discuss is nice.

It (or "they") have several initiatives, among them the "Ambassador Program," "Account Creation Improvement Project," "Best practices," "Student clubs," and "Success stories." They all had a personal appeal and they were five out of a total of eight initiatives. That's what it (or "they") said: "Outreach needs you to reach out." by getting " involved in a project (i.e. initiative - confusing nomenclature and nomenklatura seems to come with the territory). While there are eight initiatives, there are nine projects: eight initiatives plus one draft. You are also welcome to "discuss operations with other users at "their" village pump!" Discuss operations is very interesting.

The "community" is also organized according to the users' skills. Language skills came first. Information was a bit chaotic, but there were no speakers of Portuguese of any kind. Other skills listed were "project management," "teaching," "media production," and "press experience level." Professional level in the first three skills, advanced in the forth one. Cool.

On to find out how much progress had been made, by Feb. 11, 2011, on [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-February/063837.html How should we greet newcomers?]. This was on the "[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Testing_content&oldid=9004 Account Creation Improvement Project/Testing content]" page, available at the time, while one could also "read more about the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&oldid=8998 Account Creation Improvement Project]." "Please edit those pages as though they were your own wiki. Make yourself at
home on the Outreach wiki." Wrote Lennart. Wow! I was in awe. This project and/or these guys had the right stuff.

== The user page ==

[[File:Feared dog.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Puppy dog]]
Sometime around Feb. 21, 2011, I dutifully logged in to [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia Outreach] and proceeded to create my user page. The model seemed to have been [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado my user page on Meta] minus the user boxes that would not work and the «damage» that I have caused on that project until being [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat/Archives/2011-01#Vapmachado_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs.29_-_ban_request immediately blocked] (done in three minutes) [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Vapmachado with an expiry time of infinite]. Instead, I gave fair warning of my terrible reputation, since a dear friend of mine, who is a sysop, ex-bureaucrat and checkuser of the pt.wiki, was careful enough to publicize in 12 of 19 edits that I was either banned or blocked in the pt.wiki, while never mentioning a single accomplishment of mine on pt.wiki or any other Wikimedia project.[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat/Archives/2010-09#Request_for_review_of_User:Teles] He follows me everywhere I go like a good pet. As soon has I started to participate in [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:March_2011_Update this discussion], [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado at 2:19, on March 13, 2011], a little over 24 hours later, [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Teles at 4:10, March 14], he started editing on the same project, allegedly "[http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Teles to help on vandalism combat]," presumably from this vandal. Why does your pet dog follow you everywhere you go? Because [http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_your_dog_follow_you_everywhere_you_go they love you and want your company].

There are no public traces of the creation of my user page and its contents. Not in the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Vapmachado&action=history history of the user page] or in the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado user contributions]. It has been "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Oversight oversight(ed)]". [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frank_Schulenburg Frank Schulenburg], the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Frank_Schulenburg&diff=prev&oldid=10029 knows about this]. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hannibal&diff=prev&oldid=10030 So does] Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal]. Neither have done anything whatsoever to undo the oversight which still stands, as of this writing.

== Talk:Account Creation Improvement Project ==

With my user page created, I proceeded to make a comment on the above talk page, under the title "Clueless":

Please forgive me for intruding. I received a message posted by Lennart Guldbrandsson on foundation-l@list and was totally amazed by the pages' titles. They all had in common «Landing page» and that's how Lennart called them but they all contained different versions of the "Welcome message". That is very fine and interesting work, but I thought your project was dealing, as the name says, with "Account Creation". I believe Frank Schulenburg present the case for improvement very clearly in his "Account creation on Wikipedia and Facebook" pdf. It is amazing how people are still finding and clicking on "Create one" on [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Main_Page UserLogin], "crear una nueva cuenta." on [http://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Especial:Entrar&returnto=Wikipedia:Portada Entrar], "Créer un compte (facultatif)" on [http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial:Connexion&returnto=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal Connexion], or "Pode criar uma." on [http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Especial:Entrar&returnto=Wikip%C3%A9dia:P%C3%A1gina_principal Entrar]. Is this one more case of a project with a clear, well defined and narrow objective going completely haywire?

To save us all some valuable time, if you don't like these kind of questions and only welcome praise and pats in the back go ahead and block me to infinite right away, that will be fine with me for all I care.

Best regards,

Virgilio A. P. Machado

Vapmachado (talk) 00:45, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Again, there are no public traces of me having made that comment. Not in the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&action=history history of the talk page] or in the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado user contributions]. It was also "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Oversight oversight(ed)]", and again [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frank_Schulenburg Frank Schulenburg], the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Frank_Schulenburg&diff=prev&oldid=10029 knows about this], [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hannibal&diff=prev&oldid=10030 as well as] Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal]. Neither have done anything whatsoever to undo the oversight which still stands, as of this writing.

== Deletion and redacting ==

When I revisited Wikimedia Outreach, my user page had been deleted, my own name suppressed from my message and replaced by (Redacted).[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=9583&oldid=9577] An user that goes by the name of [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mono Mono] had deleted my user page and my own name from my message, replacing it with (Redacted). Mono is a strange choice of user name if your mother tongue is Portuguese. It [http://www.priberam.pt/DLPO/default.aspx?pal=mono means] monkey, an ugly, somber, stupid, unskilled individual, outdated merchandise, and also rag doll. He had been very active in the project since the beginning of the year. The project owed him a great deal for all his volunteer work, I realized that Wikimedia Outreach was just another typical Wikimedia project, and I wasn't willing to participate and get involved in another one of those. I deleted my comment, left (Redacted) in its place and moved on. There are no traces of this edit for the reasons already explained.

== Hannnibal strikes back ==

[[File:800px-Wikipedia Academy Stockholm 2009 Lennart Guldbrandsson.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal]]]
Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal] decided that he should be the one to decide where I should comment or not and [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=9587&oldid=9583 undid] my deletion of my own comment, with the argument "let's try to keep the discussion." [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=next&oldid=9587 adding a few lines], under the guise of answering my question.

Later that evening, Mono was busy [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=9609&oldid=9589 fixing his previous work] and [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vapmachado&action=history creating my user talk page] to let me know that "I have suppressed your user page, due to inappropriate personal information, such as phone numbers, home addresses, workplaces, etc. If you have any questions, please contact me. Mono (talk) 19:00, 21 February 2011 (UTC)".

== Sue Gardner as special guest ==

On March 1st, since I wasn't allowed to deleted my own comment, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=prev&oldid=10027 I crossed it all out] adding "Sorry. My mistake. Wrong project. Vapmachado (talk) 03:37, 1 March 2011 (UTC)" and summarizing my action as "Withdrawal of comment with apologies". This is the first action that is pubicly visible as my [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado user contributions].

I proceeded to "[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mono&diff=prev&oldid=10028 Thank (Mono) so much for a job well done]", writing "If you have any answers you would like to give someone, give them to Sue Gardner [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=9577&oldid=9299] :

[[File:SueGardner.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Sue Gardner, Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation.]]
"It's particularly hard to assess new editors' motivations and likelihood of sticking around productively when they don't have a userpage or their userpage doesn't have much information on it."

"I'd say that it'd be a service to all editors, if we could persuade new editors to offer at least some basic information about themselves. Premise being, even the act of providing the information would help us understand the new editor is serious (probably not a vandal, probably not a prankster), and the information that they give us might help us coach/orient/support them."

"To that end, I think it would be helpful for us to ask new editors to (optionally) tell us their gender, their age, the country they live in, and perhaps a little about their interests. We might also ask them to self-identify if they have expertise in a particular subject-matter. All that information would help Recent Changes Patrollers identify new editors who are non-vandals and non-pranksters, and it would also enable experienced editors find people they could usefully coach and support."

"I have also been thinking about whether we might want to encourage the use of userboxes or templates for new editor userpages, identifying those editors as new (and therefore calling for special leniency and encouragement), and possibly identifying them as members of groups that are underrepresented on Wikipedia (ie., women, editors outside Europe and North America, older editors, etc.). Userboxes/templates like that might already exist, in which case I think it might be a service to automate placing 'new editor' labels on new userpages, and to make 'underrepresented group' labels easier for new people to find and put on their pages."

Sue Gradner had written all this on a comment just before my question on the same talk page.

My farewell message to Mono: "Go ahead. Make my day. Do to Sue Gardner what you did to me. This is her "main user page": [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sue_Gardner User:Sue Gardner]. What an opportunity to show how a gutsy person you are.

Enjoy yourself. Virgilio A. P. Machado Vapmachado (talk) 03:57, 1 March 2011 (UTC)"

Messages were left to Frank Schulenburg, the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach and Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. Hannibal: "[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mono&diff=prev&oldid=10028 For your information]"

"You'll need to have a look at everything that "has been removed from public view" to get a full picture. Please remember to drop me a line that all has your full approval. You might not want to upset one of your more dedicated volunteers. On the other end it might be time to remove that line "Outreach Wiki needs you." It sounds so out of place. Have fun. Virgilio A. P. Machado. Vapmachado (talk) 04:12, 1 March 2011 (UTC)".

== Last chapter ==

Later that March 1st, Mono had this much to say:

"The views expressed by Sue Gardner do not necessarily reflect the standing consensus on Wikimedia projects. I have restored your userpage, but please keep in mind that actions I took reflect the idea that the safety of Wikimedia contributors is a top priority. Thank you. Mono (talk) 20:48, 1 March 2011 (UTC)"

Restored my user page he had, just a few minutes before, 20:44, 1 March 2011, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Vapmachado&action=history with this quite amazing summary]: "restoring per request, it appears this user intended to out himself, removing personal address".

[[File:800px-Frank Schulenburg June08.JPG|thumb|300px|right|[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frank_Schulenburg Frank Schulenburg], the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach]]
While Frank Schulenburg, the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach, was doing his best to stay out of the fray, it was left to Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. Hannibal, to [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hannibal&diff=10078&oldid=10030 try to make amends], with some standard fare and a couple of lines addressing the situation that had developed or in his own words "background and answer":

"Hello,
Thanks for your input. I have looked this situation over, and while I do not control this wiki any more than anyone else, I can tell you what my experience is in these kinds of situations: after more than ten years, Wikipedia and its sister projects have developed such a complex universe of opinions and policies that no-one can really be said to follow every guideline at any point. One editor may focus more on quality, and another on users' feelings. No-one, and both, are right. But since we need to co-exist here, we should each of us, take pains in understand the other one before we make drastic decisions. And I think that Sue concurs with me.

Let me rephrase it a little bit for clarity's sake: the first years Wikipedia existed, the goal was simply to have articles on every subject and people tried to get as many edits as they could. Then another phase came along, where most everybody was concerned with quality: they added more and more sources, and tried to get more scientists to contribute. Around 2009, the third phase started to grow, but it wasn't until 2011 that it has really come into full effect, and it is still not the dominant way of thinking, namely that we should focus on the users. After all, it's the users that create the content. We are right now in the process of [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap trying to get more women to contribute to Wikipedia and its sister projects], for instance, At the same time, there are users who have been present since the beginning, and we shouldn't ignore their needs and wants either. And the compromise here is very difficult - for everybody. Not just for the newcomers who come into a culture that is well-established and complex and yes, a little rough sometimes, but for the veterans, who have seen every attempt at change Wikipedia before, and who have had good results with their present methods. Sue (and I) represent those who have looked at the developments here, and [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap try to see how Wikipedia should (and need to) evolve in the upcoming years].

In conclusion, now that Mono has restored your user page and explained his/her reason for removing it in the first place, I trust that the situation has resolved itself, and that we all can get back to being productive both here and on other Wikimedia projects. Good luck//Hannibal (talk) 08:55, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== End of story ==

Let's get back to Mono's summary of 20:44, 1 March 2011, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Vapmachado&action=history with this quite amazing text]: "restoring per request, it appears this user intended to out himself, removing personal address".

I made no request for my user page to be restored. Allegedly, someone did (your guess is as good as mine) and was obeyed, making it sound more like an order than a request.

A most outlandish, gross, out of place and inappropriate comment was made ("it appears this user intended to out himself"). My user page did not out me, neither was that my intent. The same kind of information is available all over the Wikimedia projects and on the Web in general. I write my comments using my professional name (Virgilio A. P. Machado), an imperfect printed form of my signature of some 50 years (Vapmachado) and I've been a public figure for more than 35 years, with information about me in print and, more recently, in the Web. I've been "outed" a long time ago, and was never a closet anything.

[[File:La Conner, WA - P.O. boxes_800px.jpg|thumb|300px|right|P. O. Boxes, by Joe Mabel]]
Still eager to pick on something, Mono decided that "Apartado 313, 2826-801 Caparica" is my personal address, which he promptly remove while restoring my user page, leaving his famous mark "(Redacted)" in it's place. Well I regret to have to let you know that "Apartado 313, 2826-801 Caparica" is not my "personal address". It's one of my many mailing addresses. "Apartado" is the Portuguese word for Post Office or P.O. Box, and I can assure you that I never lived there. I hope to contribute to someone's knowledge of Portuguese, by leting you know that there are several ways to write "Apartment" in Portuguese, including "Apartamento", but again "Apartado" is not one of them. Furthermore if you want to know my address, I'm in the book, the phonebook, and if you want my number(s) all you have to do is call information. When you have nothing to hide or be ashamed of, there's no need to hide yourself. Besides, I happen to live in a civilized country, a bit on the poor side, but civilized.

== Moral of the story ==

There is no way I'm going to participate and get involved in anything where I have to put up with that kind of behavior from people that have a final say on anything I write. The same people that are holding hostages those that should and probably know better but don't have the guts to "fire" a volunteer. As long as he or she is slaving it out, they can keep collecting their fat paychecks.

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."--Matthew v:3.

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Wikimedia Outreach

2011-07-20T01:41:10Z

Vapmachado: /* Sue Gardner as special guest */ *wiki

[[File:Yellowstone tourist stands on a precipice..jpg|thumb|300px|right|Standing on the edge of the precipice]]
I learned about the Wikimedia Outreach account creation improvement project from a good friend and fellow wikimedian on Jan. 11, 2011. He sent me a link to [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frank_Schulenburg Frank Schulenburg], Sep. 18, 2010, presentation on [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Account_creation_on_Wikipedia_and_Facebook.pdf Account creation on Wikipedia and Facebook]. Having been dealing with account creation problems on Wikimedia projects for four years, the case for improvement was made very clearly in that presentation. When I read Lennart Guldbrandsson a.k.a [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal] post to the Foundation-l mailing list, Feb. 11, 2011, on [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-February/063837.html How should we greet newcomers?] I was looking forward to see how much progress had been made.

Wikimedia Outreach was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation#Projects launched Oct. 2009] and its [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page main page] is very appealing. It welcomes you with "Outreach Wiki needs you." Then, there is a subtle change from [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia "backstage" project], wiki, bookshelf to an unknown first person plural entity whose mission is defined as "to recruit and support new Wikimedians and to build strong relationships with cultural and educational institutions." Renewed emphasis is given to the fact that "they" "need your help in making this collaborative platform bigger, better and more useful." That "if you think you can help, great. There's plenty left to do." "Build the wiki," "Find an initiative," "Attend an event," and last but not least "Discuss the movement." Discuss is nice.

It (or "they") have several initiatives, among them the "Ambassador Program," "Account Creation Improvement Project," "Best practices," "Student clubs," and "Success stories." They all had a personal appeal and they were five out of a total of eight initiatives. That's what it (or "they") said: "Outreach needs you to reach out." by getting " involved in a project (i.e. initiative - confusing nomenclature and nomenklatura seems to come with the territory). While there are eight initiatives, there are nine projects: eight initiatives plus one draft. You are also welcome to "discuss operations with other users at "their" village pump!" Discuss operations is very interesting.

The "community" is also organized according to the users' skills. Language skills came first. Information was a bit chaotic, but there were no speakers of Portuguese of any kind. Other skills listed were "project management," "teaching," "media production," and "press experience level." Professional level in the first three skills, advanced in the forth one. Cool.

On to find out how much progress had been made, by Feb. 11, 2011, on [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-February/063837.html How should we greet newcomers?]. This was on the "[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Testing_content&oldid=9004 Account Creation Improvement Project/Testing content]" page, available at the time, while one could also "read more about the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&oldid=8998 Account Creation Improvement Project]." "Please edit those pages as though they were your own wiki. Make yourself at
home on the Outreach wiki." Wrote Lennart. Wow! I was in awe. This project and/or these guys had the right stuff.

== The user page ==

[[File:Feared dog.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Puppy dog]]
Sometime around Feb. 21, 2011, I dutifully logged in to [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia Outreach] and proceeded to create my user page. The model seemed to have been [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado my user page on Meta] minus the user boxes that would not work and the «damage» that I have caused on that project until being [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat/Archives/2011-01#Vapmachado_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs.29_-_ban_request immediately blocked] (done in three minutes) [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Vapmachado with an expiry time of infinite]. Instead, I gave fair warning of my terrible reputation, since a dear friend of mine, who is a sysop, ex-bureaucrat and checkuser of the pt.wiki, was careful enough to publicize in 12 of 19 edits that I was either banned or blocked in the pt.wiki, while never mentioning a single accomplishment of mine on pt.wiki or any other Wikimedia project.[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat/Archives/2010-09#Request_for_review_of_User:Teles] He follows me everywhere I go like a good pet. As soon has I started to participate in [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:March_2011_Update this discussion], [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado at 2:19, on March 13, 2011], a little over 24 hours later, [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Teles at 4:10, March 14], he started editing on the same project, allegedly "[http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Teles to help on vandalism combat]," presumably from this vandal. Why does your pet dog follow you everywhere you go? Because [http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_your_dog_follow_you_everywhere_you_go they love you and want your company].

There are no public traces of the creation of my user page and its contents. Not in the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Vapmachado&action=history history of the user page] or in the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado user contributions]. It has been "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Oversight oversight(ed)]". [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frank_Schulenburg Frank Schulenburg], the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Frank_Schulenburg&diff=prev&oldid=10029 knows about this]. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hannibal&diff=prev&oldid=10030 So does] Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal]. Neither have done anything whatsoever to undo the oversight which still stands, as of this writing.

== Talk:Account Creation Improvement Project ==

With my user page created, I proceeded to make a comment on the above talk page, under the title "Clueless":

Please forgive me for intruding. I received a message posted by Lennart Guldbrandsson on foundation-l@list and was totally amazed by the pages' titles. They all had in common «Landing page» and that's how Lennart called them but they all contained different versions of the "Welcome message". That is very fine and interesting work, but I thought your project was dealing, as the name says, with "Account Creation". I believe Frank Schulenburg present the case for improvement very clearly in his "Account creation on Wikipedia and Facebook" pdf. It is amazing how people are still finding and clicking on "Create one" on [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Main_Page UserLogin], "crear una nueva cuenta." on [http://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Especial:Entrar&returnto=Wikipedia:Portada Entrar], "Créer un compte (facultatif)" on [http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial:Connexion&returnto=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal Connexion], or "Pode criar uma." on [http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Especial:Entrar&returnto=Wikip%C3%A9dia:P%C3%A1gina_principal Entrar]. Is this one more case of a project with a clear, well defined and narrow objective going completely haywire?

To save us all some valuable time, if you don't like these kind of questions and only welcome praise and pats in the back go ahead and block me to infinite right away, that will be fine with me for all I care.

Best regards,

Virgilio A. P. Machado

Vapmachado (talk) 00:45, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Again, there are no public traces of me having made that comment. Not in the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&action=history history of the talk page] or in the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado user contributions]. It was also "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Oversight oversight(ed)]", and again [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frank_Schulenburg Frank Schulenburg], the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Frank_Schulenburg&diff=prev&oldid=10029 knows about this], [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hannibal&diff=prev&oldid=10030 as well as] Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal]. Neither have done anything whatsoever to undo the oversight which still stands, as of this writing.

== Deletion and redacting ==

When I revisited Wikimedia Outreach, my user page had been deleted, my own name suppressed from my message and replaced by (Redacted).[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=9583&oldid=9577] An user that goes by the name of [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mono Mono] had deleted my user page and my own name from my message, replacing it with (Redacted). Mono is a strange choice of user name if your mother tongue is Portuguese. It [http://www.priberam.pt/DLPO/default.aspx?pal=mono means] monkey, an ugly, somber, stupid, unskilled individual, outdated merchandise, and also rag doll. He had been very active in the project since the beginning of the year. The project owed him a great deal for all his volunteer work, I realized that Wikimedia Outreach was just another typical Wikimedia project, and I wasn't willing to participate and get involved in another one of those. I deleted my comment, left (Redacted) in its place and moved on. There are no traces of this edit for the reasons already explained.

== Hannnibal strikes back ==

[[File:800px-Wikipedia Academy Stockholm 2009 Lennart Guldbrandsson.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal]]]
Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal] decided that he should be the one to decide where I should comment or not and [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=9587&oldid=9583 undid] my deletion of my own comment, with the argument "let's try to keep the discussion." [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=next&oldid=9587 adding a few lines], under the guise of answering my question.

Later that evening, Mono was busy [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=9609&oldid=9589 fixing his previous work] and [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vapmachado&action=history creating my user talk page] to let me know that "I have suppressed your user page, due to inappropriate personal information, such as phone numbers, home addresses, workplaces, etc. If you have any questions, please contact me. Mono (talk) 19:00, 21 February 2011 (UTC)".

== Sue Gardner as special guest ==

On March 1st, since I wasn't allowed to deleted my own comment, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=prev&oldid=10027 I crossed it all out] adding "Sorry. My mistake. Wrong project. Vapmachado (talk) 03:37, 1 March 2011 (UTC)" and summarizing my action as "Withdrawal of comment with apologies". This is the first action that is pubicly visible as my [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado user contributions].

I proceeded to "[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mono&diff=prev&oldid=10028 Thank (Mono) so much for a job well done]", writing "If you have any answers you would like to give someone, give them to Sue Gardner [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=9577&oldid=9299] :

[[File:SueGardner_800px.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Sue Gardner, Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation.]]
"It's particularly hard to assess new editors' motivations and likelihood of sticking around productively when they don't have a userpage or their userpage doesn't have much information on it."

"I'd say that it'd be a service to all editors, if we could persuade new editors to offer at least some basic information about themselves. Premise being, even the act of providing the information would help us understand the new editor is serious (probably not a vandal, probably not a prankster), and the information that they give us might help us coach/orient/support them."

"To that end, I think it would be helpful for us to ask new editors to (optionally) tell us their gender, their age, the country they live in, and perhaps a little about their interests. We might also ask them to self-identify if they have expertise in a particular subject-matter. All that information would help Recent Changes Patrollers identify new editors who are non-vandals and non-pranksters, and it would also enable experienced editors find people they could usefully coach and support."

"I have also been thinking about whether we might want to encourage the use of userboxes or templates for new editor userpages, identifying those editors as new (and therefore calling for special leniency and encouragement), and possibly identifying them as members of groups that are underrepresented on Wikipedia (ie., women, editors outside Europe and North America, older editors, etc.). Userboxes/templates like that might already exist, in which case I think it might be a service to automate placing 'new editor' labels on new userpages, and to make 'underrepresented group' labels easier for new people to find and put on their pages."

Sue Gradner had written all this on a comment just before my question on the same talk page.

My farewell message to Mono: "Go ahead. Make my day. Do to Sue Gardner what you did to me. This is her "main user page": [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sue_Gardner User:Sue Gardner]. What an opportunity to show how a gutsy person you are.

Enjoy yourself. Virgilio A. P. Machado Vapmachado (talk) 03:57, 1 March 2011 (UTC)"

Messages were left to Frank Schulenburg, the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach and Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. Hannibal: "[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mono&diff=prev&oldid=10028 For your information]"

"You'll need to have a look at everything that "has been removed from public view" to get a full picture. Please remember to drop me a line that all has your full approval. You might not want to upset one of your more dedicated volunteers. On the other end it might be time to remove that line "Outreach Wiki needs you." It sounds so out of place. Have fun. Virgilio A. P. Machado. Vapmachado (talk) 04:12, 1 March 2011 (UTC)".

== Last chapter ==

Later that March 1st, Mono had this much to say:

"The views expressed by Sue Gardner do not necessarily reflect the standing consensus on Wikimedia projects. I have restored your userpage, but please keep in mind that actions I took reflect the idea that the safety of Wikimedia contributors is a top priority. Thank you. Mono (talk) 20:48, 1 March 2011 (UTC)"

Restored my user page he had, just a few minutes before, 20:44, 1 March 2011, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Vapmachado&action=history with this quite amazing summary]: "restoring per request, it appears this user intended to out himself, removing personal address".

[[File:800px-Frank Schulenburg June08.JPG|thumb|300px|right|[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frank_Schulenburg Frank Schulenburg], the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach]]
While Frank Schulenburg, the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach, was doing his best to stay out of the fray, it was left to Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. Hannibal, to [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hannibal&diff=10078&oldid=10030 try to make amends], with some standard fare and a couple of lines addressing the situation that had developed or in his own words "background and answer":

"Hello,
Thanks for your input. I have looked this situation over, and while I do not control this wiki any more than anyone else, I can tell you what my experience is in these kinds of situations: after more than ten years, Wikipedia and its sister projects have developed such a complex universe of opinions and policies that no-one can really be said to follow every guideline at any point. One editor may focus more on quality, and another on users' feelings. No-one, and both, are right. But since we need to co-exist here, we should each of us, take pains in understand the other one before we make drastic decisions. And I think that Sue concurs with me.

Let me rephrase it a little bit for clarity's sake: the first years Wikipedia existed, the goal was simply to have articles on every subject and people tried to get as many edits as they could. Then another phase came along, where most everybody was concerned with quality: they added more and more sources, and tried to get more scientists to contribute. Around 2009, the third phase started to grow, but it wasn't until 2011 that it has really come into full effect, and it is still not the dominant way of thinking, namely that we should focus on the users. After all, it's the users that create the content. We are right now in the process of [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap trying to get more women to contribute to Wikipedia and its sister projects], for instance, At the same time, there are users who have been present since the beginning, and we shouldn't ignore their needs and wants either. And the compromise here is very difficult - for everybody. Not just for the newcomers who come into a culture that is well-established and complex and yes, a little rough sometimes, but for the veterans, who have seen every attempt at change Wikipedia before, and who have had good results with their present methods. Sue (and I) represent those who have looked at the developments here, and [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap try to see how Wikipedia should (and need to) evolve in the upcoming years].

In conclusion, now that Mono has restored your user page and explained his/her reason for removing it in the first place, I trust that the situation has resolved itself, and that we all can get back to being productive both here and on other Wikimedia projects. Good luck//Hannibal (talk) 08:55, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== End of story ==

Let's get back to Mono's summary of 20:44, 1 March 2011, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Vapmachado&action=history with this quite amazing text]: "restoring per request, it appears this user intended to out himself, removing personal address".

I made no request for my user page to be restored. Allegedly, someone did (your guess is as good as mine) and was obeyed, making it sound more like an order than a request.

A most outlandish, gross, out of place and inappropriate comment was made ("it appears this user intended to out himself"). My user page did not out me, neither was that my intent. The same kind of information is available all over the Wikimedia projects and on the Web in general. I write my comments using my professional name (Virgilio A. P. Machado), an imperfect printed form of my signature of some 50 years (Vapmachado) and I've been a public figure for more than 35 years, with information about me in print and, more recently, in the Web. I've been "outed" a long time ago, and was never a closet anything.

[[File:La Conner, WA - P.O. boxes_800px.jpg|thumb|300px|right|P. O. Boxes, by Joe Mabel]]
Still eager to pick on something, Mono decided that "Apartado 313, 2826-801 Caparica" is my personal address, which he promptly remove while restoring my user page, leaving his famous mark "(Redacted)" in it's place. Well I regret to have to let you know that "Apartado 313, 2826-801 Caparica" is not my "personal address". It's one of my many mailing addresses. "Apartado" is the Portuguese word for Post Office or P.O. Box, and I can assure you that I never lived there. I hope to contribute to someone's knowledge of Portuguese, by leting you know that there are several ways to write "Apartment" in Portuguese, including "Apartamento", but again "Apartado" is not one of them. Furthermore if you want to know my address, I'm in the book, the phonebook, and if you want my number(s) all you have to do is call information. When you have nothing to hide or be ashamed of, there's no need to hide yourself. Besides, I happen to live in a civilized country, a bit on the poor side, but civilized.

== Moral of the story ==

There is no way I'm going to participate and get involved in anything where I have to put up with that kind of behavior from people that have a final say on anything I write. The same people that are holding hostages those that should and probably know better but don't have the guts to "fire" a volunteer. As long as he or she is slaving it out, they can keep collecting their fat paychecks.

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."--Matthew v:3.

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Wikimedia Outreach

2011-07-20T01:33:42Z

Vapmachado: /* End of story */ *wiki

[[File:Yellowstone tourist stands on a precipice..jpg|thumb|300px|right|Standing on the edge of the precipice]]
I learned about the Wikimedia Outreach account creation improvement project from a good friend and fellow wikimedian on Jan. 11, 2011. He sent me a link to [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frank_Schulenburg Frank Schulenburg], Sep. 18, 2010, presentation on [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Account_creation_on_Wikipedia_and_Facebook.pdf Account creation on Wikipedia and Facebook]. Having been dealing with account creation problems on Wikimedia projects for four years, the case for improvement was made very clearly in that presentation. When I read Lennart Guldbrandsson a.k.a [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal] post to the Foundation-l mailing list, Feb. 11, 2011, on [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-February/063837.html How should we greet newcomers?] I was looking forward to see how much progress had been made.

Wikimedia Outreach was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation#Projects launched Oct. 2009] and its [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page main page] is very appealing. It welcomes you with "Outreach Wiki needs you." Then, there is a subtle change from [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia "backstage" project], wiki, bookshelf to an unknown first person plural entity whose mission is defined as "to recruit and support new Wikimedians and to build strong relationships with cultural and educational institutions." Renewed emphasis is given to the fact that "they" "need your help in making this collaborative platform bigger, better and more useful." That "if you think you can help, great. There's plenty left to do." "Build the wiki," "Find an initiative," "Attend an event," and last but not least "Discuss the movement." Discuss is nice.

It (or "they") have several initiatives, among them the "Ambassador Program," "Account Creation Improvement Project," "Best practices," "Student clubs," and "Success stories." They all had a personal appeal and they were five out of a total of eight initiatives. That's what it (or "they") said: "Outreach needs you to reach out." by getting " involved in a project (i.e. initiative - confusing nomenclature and nomenklatura seems to come with the territory). While there are eight initiatives, there are nine projects: eight initiatives plus one draft. You are also welcome to "discuss operations with other users at "their" village pump!" Discuss operations is very interesting.

The "community" is also organized according to the users' skills. Language skills came first. Information was a bit chaotic, but there were no speakers of Portuguese of any kind. Other skills listed were "project management," "teaching," "media production," and "press experience level." Professional level in the first three skills, advanced in the forth one. Cool.

On to find out how much progress had been made, by Feb. 11, 2011, on [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-February/063837.html How should we greet newcomers?]. This was on the "[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Testing_content&oldid=9004 Account Creation Improvement Project/Testing content]" page, available at the time, while one could also "read more about the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&oldid=8998 Account Creation Improvement Project]." "Please edit those pages as though they were your own wiki. Make yourself at
home on the Outreach wiki." Wrote Lennart. Wow! I was in awe. This project and/or these guys had the right stuff.

== The user page ==

[[File:Feared dog.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Puppy dog]]
Sometime around Feb. 21, 2011, I dutifully logged in to [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia Outreach] and proceeded to create my user page. The model seemed to have been [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado my user page on Meta] minus the user boxes that would not work and the «damage» that I have caused on that project until being [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat/Archives/2011-01#Vapmachado_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs.29_-_ban_request immediately blocked] (done in three minutes) [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Vapmachado with an expiry time of infinite]. Instead, I gave fair warning of my terrible reputation, since a dear friend of mine, who is a sysop, ex-bureaucrat and checkuser of the pt.wiki, was careful enough to publicize in 12 of 19 edits that I was either banned or blocked in the pt.wiki, while never mentioning a single accomplishment of mine on pt.wiki or any other Wikimedia project.[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat/Archives/2010-09#Request_for_review_of_User:Teles] He follows me everywhere I go like a good pet. As soon has I started to participate in [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:March_2011_Update this discussion], [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado at 2:19, on March 13, 2011], a little over 24 hours later, [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Teles at 4:10, March 14], he started editing on the same project, allegedly "[http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Teles to help on vandalism combat]," presumably from this vandal. Why does your pet dog follow you everywhere you go? Because [http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_your_dog_follow_you_everywhere_you_go they love you and want your company].

There are no public traces of the creation of my user page and its contents. Not in the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Vapmachado&action=history history of the user page] or in the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado user contributions]. It has been "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Oversight oversight(ed)]". [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frank_Schulenburg Frank Schulenburg], the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Frank_Schulenburg&diff=prev&oldid=10029 knows about this]. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hannibal&diff=prev&oldid=10030 So does] Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal]. Neither have done anything whatsoever to undo the oversight which still stands, as of this writing.

== Talk:Account Creation Improvement Project ==

With my user page created, I proceeded to make a comment on the above talk page, under the title "Clueless":

Please forgive me for intruding. I received a message posted by Lennart Guldbrandsson on foundation-l@list and was totally amazed by the pages' titles. They all had in common «Landing page» and that's how Lennart called them but they all contained different versions of the "Welcome message". That is very fine and interesting work, but I thought your project was dealing, as the name says, with "Account Creation". I believe Frank Schulenburg present the case for improvement very clearly in his "Account creation on Wikipedia and Facebook" pdf. It is amazing how people are still finding and clicking on "Create one" on [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Main_Page UserLogin], "crear una nueva cuenta." on [http://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Especial:Entrar&returnto=Wikipedia:Portada Entrar], "Créer un compte (facultatif)" on [http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial:Connexion&returnto=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal Connexion], or "Pode criar uma." on [http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Especial:Entrar&returnto=Wikip%C3%A9dia:P%C3%A1gina_principal Entrar]. Is this one more case of a project with a clear, well defined and narrow objective going completely haywire?

To save us all some valuable time, if you don't like these kind of questions and only welcome praise and pats in the back go ahead and block me to infinite right away, that will be fine with me for all I care.

Best regards,

Virgilio A. P. Machado

Vapmachado (talk) 00:45, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Again, there are no public traces of me having made that comment. Not in the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&action=history history of the talk page] or in the [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado user contributions]. It was also "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Oversight oversight(ed)]", and again [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frank_Schulenburg Frank Schulenburg], the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Frank_Schulenburg&diff=prev&oldid=10029 knows about this], [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hannibal&diff=prev&oldid=10030 as well as] Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal]. Neither have done anything whatsoever to undo the oversight which still stands, as of this writing.

== Deletion and redacting ==

When I revisited Wikimedia Outreach, my user page had been deleted, my own name suppressed from my message and replaced by (Redacted).[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=9583&oldid=9577] An user that goes by the name of [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mono Mono] had deleted my user page and my own name from my message, replacing it with (Redacted). Mono is a strange choice of user name if your mother tongue is Portuguese. It [http://www.priberam.pt/DLPO/default.aspx?pal=mono means] monkey, an ugly, somber, stupid, unskilled individual, outdated merchandise, and also rag doll. He had been very active in the project since the beginning of the year. The project owed him a great deal for all his volunteer work, I realized that Wikimedia Outreach was just another typical Wikimedia project, and I wasn't willing to participate and get involved in another one of those. I deleted my comment, left (Redacted) in its place and moved on. There are no traces of this edit for the reasons already explained.

== Hannnibal strikes back ==

[[File:800px-Wikipedia Academy Stockholm 2009 Lennart Guldbrandsson.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal]]]
Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hannibal Hannibal] decided that he should be the one to decide where I should comment or not and [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=9587&oldid=9583 undid] my deletion of my own comment, with the argument "let's try to keep the discussion." [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=next&oldid=9587 adding a few lines], under the guise of answering my question.

Later that evening, Mono was busy [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=9609&oldid=9589 fixing his previous work] and [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vapmachado&action=history creating my user talk page] to let me know that "I have suppressed your user page, due to inappropriate personal information, such as phone numbers, home addresses, workplaces, etc. If you have any questions, please contact me. Mono (talk) 19:00, 21 February 2011 (UTC)".

== Sue Gardner as special guest ==

On March 1st, since I wasn't allowed to deleted my own comment, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=prev&oldid=10027 I crossed it all out] adding "Sorry. My mistake. Wrong project. Vapmachado (talk) 03:37, 1 March 2011 (UTC)" and summarizing my action as "Withdrawal of comment with apologies". This is the first action that is pubicly visible as my [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado user contributions].

I proceeded to "[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mono&diff=prev&oldid=10028 Thank (Mono) so much for a job well done]", writing "If you have any answers you would like to give someone, give them to Sue Gardner [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project&diff=9577&oldid=9299] :

[[File:800px-SueGardner.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Sue Gardner, Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation.]]
"It's particularly hard to assess new editors' motivations and likelihood of sticking around productively when they don't have a userpage or their userpage doesn't have much information on it."

"I'd say that it'd be a service to all editors, if we could persuade new editors to offer at least some basic information about themselves. Premise being, even the act of providing the information would help us understand the new editor is serious (probably not a vandal, probably not a prankster), and the information that they give us might help us coach/orient/support them."

"To that end, I think it would be helpful for us to ask new editors to (optionally) tell us their gender, their age, the country they live in, and perhaps a little about their interests. We might also ask them to self-identify if they have expertise in a particular subject-matter. All that information would help Recent Changes Patrollers identify new editors who are non-vandals and non-pranksters, and it would also enable experienced editors find people they could usefully coach and support."

"I have also been thinking about whether we might want to encourage the use of userboxes or templates for new editor userpages, identifying those editors as new (and therefore calling for special leniency and encouragement), and possibly identifying them as members of groups that are underrepresented on Wikipedia (ie., women, editors outside Europe and North America, older editors, etc.). Userboxes/templates like that might already exist, in which case I think it might be a service to automate placing 'new editor' labels on new userpages, and to make 'underrepresented group' labels easier for new people to find and put on their pages."

Sue Gradner had written all this on a comment just before my question on the same talk page.

My farewell message to Mono: "Go ahead. Make my day. Do to Sue Gardner what you did to me. This is her "main user page": [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sue_Gardner User:Sue Gardner]. What an opportunity to show how a gutsy person you are.

Enjoy yourself. Virgilio A. P. Machado Vapmachado (talk) 03:57, 1 March 2011 (UTC)"

Messages were left to Frank Schulenburg, the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach and Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. Hannibal: "[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mono&diff=prev&oldid=10028 For your information]"

"You'll need to have a look at everything that "has been removed from public view" to get a full picture. Please remember to drop me a line that all has your full approval. You might not want to upset one of your more dedicated volunteers. On the other end it might be time to remove that line "Outreach Wiki needs you." It sounds so out of place. Have fun. Virgilio A. P. Machado. Vapmachado (talk) 04:12, 1 March 2011 (UTC)".

== Last chapter ==

Later that March 1st, Mono had this much to say:

"The views expressed by Sue Gardner do not necessarily reflect the standing consensus on Wikimedia projects. I have restored your userpage, but please keep in mind that actions I took reflect the idea that the safety of Wikimedia contributors is a top priority. Thank you. Mono (talk) 20:48, 1 March 2011 (UTC)"

Restored my user page he had, just a few minutes before, 20:44, 1 March 2011, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Vapmachado&action=history with this quite amazing summary]: "restoring per request, it appears this user intended to out himself, removing personal address".

[[File:800px-Frank Schulenburg June08.JPG|thumb|300px|right|[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frank_Schulenburg Frank Schulenburg], the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach]]
While Frank Schulenburg, the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach, was doing his best to stay out of the fray, it was left to Community Fellow, Lennart Guldbrandsson, a.k.a. Hannibal, to [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hannibal&diff=10078&oldid=10030 try to make amends], with some standard fare and a couple of lines addressing the situation that had developed or in his own words "background and answer":

"Hello,
Thanks for your input. I have looked this situation over, and while I do not control this wiki any more than anyone else, I can tell you what my experience is in these kinds of situations: after more than ten years, Wikipedia and its sister projects have developed such a complex universe of opinions and policies that no-one can really be said to follow every guideline at any point. One editor may focus more on quality, and another on users' feelings. No-one, and both, are right. But since we need to co-exist here, we should each of us, take pains in understand the other one before we make drastic decisions. And I think that Sue concurs with me.

Let me rephrase it a little bit for clarity's sake: the first years Wikipedia existed, the goal was simply to have articles on every subject and people tried to get as many edits as they could. Then another phase came along, where most everybody was concerned with quality: they added more and more sources, and tried to get more scientists to contribute. Around 2009, the third phase started to grow, but it wasn't until 2011 that it has really come into full effect, and it is still not the dominant way of thinking, namely that we should focus on the users. After all, it's the users that create the content. We are right now in the process of [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap trying to get more women to contribute to Wikipedia and its sister projects], for instance, At the same time, there are users who have been present since the beginning, and we shouldn't ignore their needs and wants either. And the compromise here is very difficult - for everybody. Not just for the newcomers who come into a culture that is well-established and complex and yes, a little rough sometimes, but for the veterans, who have seen every attempt at change Wikipedia before, and who have had good results with their present methods. Sue (and I) represent those who have looked at the developments here, and [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap try to see how Wikipedia should (and need to) evolve in the upcoming years].

In conclusion, now that Mono has restored your user page and explained his/her reason for removing it in the first place, I trust that the situation has resolved itself, and that we all can get back to being productive both here and on other Wikimedia projects. Good luck//Hannibal (talk) 08:55, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== End of story ==

Let's get back to Mono's summary of 20:44, 1 March 2011, [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Vapmachado&action=history with this quite amazing text]: "restoring per request, it appears this user intended to out himself, removing personal address".

I made no request for my user page to be restored. Allegedly, someone did (your guess is as good as mine) and was obeyed, making it sound more like an order than a request.

A most outlandish, gross, out of place and inappropriate comment was made ("it appears this user intended to out himself"). My user page did not out me, neither was that my intent. The same kind of information is available all over the Wikimedia projects and on the Web in general. I write my comments using my professional name (Virgilio A. P. Machado), an imperfect printed form of my signature of some 50 years (Vapmachado) and I've been a public figure for more than 35 years, with information about me in print and, more recently, in the Web. I've been "outed" a long time ago, and was never a closet anything.

[[File:La Conner, WA - P.O. boxes_800px.jpg|thumb|300px|right|P. O. Boxes, by Joe Mabel]]
Still eager to pick on something, Mono decided that "Apartado 313, 2826-801 Caparica" is my personal address, which he promptly remove while restoring my user page, leaving his famous mark "(Redacted)" in it's place. Well I regret to have to let you know that "Apartado 313, 2826-801 Caparica" is not my "personal address". It's one of my many mailing addresses. "Apartado" is the Portuguese word for Post Office or P.O. Box, and I can assure you that I never lived there. I hope to contribute to someone's knowledge of Portuguese, by leting you know that there are several ways to write "Apartment" in Portuguese, including "Apartamento", but again "Apartado" is not one of them. Furthermore if you want to know my address, I'm in the book, the phonebook, and if you want my number(s) all you have to do is call information. When you have nothing to hide or be ashamed of, there's no need to hide yourself. Besides, I happen to live in a civilized country, a bit on the poor side, but civilized.

== Moral of the story ==

There is no way I'm going to participate and get involved in anything where I have to put up with that kind of behavior from people that have a final say on anything I write. The same people that are holding hostages those that should and probably know better but don't have the guts to "fire" a volunteer. As long as he or she is slaving it out, they can keep collecting their fat paychecks.

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."--Matthew v:3.

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The uneducated list

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Vapmachado: /* Wikimania in Haifa */ *wiki

[[File:800px-Jan Bart de Vreede Nov 2010.JPG|thumb|300px|right|Jan-Bart de Vreede]]

From: Jan-Bart de Vreede <janbart@wikimedia.org> 
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 21:12:30 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: [Foundation-l] Announcing Wikimedia Education List

Hi All,

We would like to take this opportunity to announce the new Wikimedia Education list. During the past Wikimania conferences we seen incredible examples of educational use of Wikimedia Projects or Content. During the recent chapter conference in Berlin we saw some more. These are often not related to a specific project and often have subject matter which involves a different audience than the other general mailing lists. Thats why we decided to start a new mailing list which will hopefully foster creative discussion on the topic at hand.

So what would we like to discuss on this list:

* Educational use of Wikimedia content or projects
* Best practices
* Educational Licensing
* Educational Outreach
* Other Open Educational Resource Projects
* Anything else that is education related :)

Everyone is welcome to post to the list. You can subscribe to the list at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education . The list will be moderated by Cormaggio, Jan-Bart and Louriepieterse.

Hope to see you there!

Cormaggio, Jan-Bart and Lourie

PS: Small disclaimer: although Jan-Bart is a member of the Board of Trustees, this is not an official WMF initiative, but a community initiative.

== Wikimania in Haifa ==

[[File:Downtown Haifa, Israel at night.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Downtown Haifa]]

From: Frank Schulenburg <fschulenburg@wikimedia.org> 
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:03:02 
To: education@lists.wikimedia.org 
Subject: [Education] Wikipedia and Education: Wikimania in Haifa

Hi All,

Wikipedia and Education seems to be one of the trending topics. There's a lot of excitement when it comes to using Wikipedia in the classroom and I know that quite a few Wikimedia chapters and academic institutions are thinking about getting more active in this area.

The Wikimania conference is a great opportunity for looking back to what has been achieved in the past and for planning the future. That's why I thought is might be a good idea to direct your attention to the education related submissions for this year's conference in Haifa, Israel.

Below you'll find a list of the existing education related submissions -- maybe some of the subscribers on this list have some more ideas for proposals.

Also: I would be interested in meeting those of you who are planning to go to Haifa and who are interested in Wikipedia and Education. How about if we have an informal get-together during Wikimania?

http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_in_Education:_Wikimania_2011

Frank

<hr>

Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 02:54:36 
To: education@lists.wikimedia.org 
From: "Virgilio A. P. Machado" <vam@fct.unl.pt> 
Subject: Re: [Education] Wikipedia and Education: Wikimania in Haifa

Great idea. It will not be ready for Wikimania in Haifa, this year, but I just added to my list of case studies: "The crusaders against education in the Brazilian Wikipedia." Right now it is an unfinished case because the crusade is still raging at full throttle in the Brazilian Wikipedia, thanks to... YOU. That's right, YOU. It is all happening under your very noses, using the resources that the Wikimedia Foundation makes available to the gang that runs the Brazilian Wikipedia. A word of warning, also, to all the donors to the Wikimedia Foundation whose money is unwittingly being used to support that big sham called Portuguese Wikipedia. Sounds dramatic, exaggerated, overblown? I wouldn't believe it myself if I were not there, right on top of the list of those blocked to infinite for daring, for trying such foolish endeavor. My worst sin, I'm very sorry to say: being a Portuguese university professor trying to run a successful higher education project in a Wikipedia dominated by Brazilian highschoolers. In the mean time, have fun in Haifa, patting each other on the back for a job well done.

Sincerely,

Virgilio A. P. Machado

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Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 18:00:00 
From: Sonia Newton-Shostakovich 
To: education@lists.wikimedia.org 
Subject: Re: [Education] Wikipedia and Education: Wikimania in Haifa

With all due respect, if you believe something is an issue and that people can help rectify it, it's probably not the best idea to single them out for the blame when they have had no part in shaping the situation. If you clarified what exactly the issue is with regard to the project in question, people might actually be able to investigate your complaint and see what can be done.

Sonia

== Appropriate tone for this list... ==

[[File:Tone scale b.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Tone scale]]

From: Jan-Bart de Vreede <janbart@wikimedia.org> 
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:41:31 
To: "education@lists.wikimedia.org" <education@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: [Education] Appropriate tone for this list...

Hello Everyone,

Well, it took us four emails on this list in order to reach the moment where someone started being negative in tone.

The reason we started this list was to exchange ideas in a positive atmosphere. There are incredible examples (best practices) on how to use Wikimedia content en projects in an educational setting. We can share these and point out opportunities to one another. One of the people I talked to when discussing this list stated that for him it was important that the tone of the list be positive, but above all: constructive.

Therefore this list is not a place to:

1) Antagonize one another or show a lack of respect to individuals 
2) Continue crusades which are already being fought on other platforms (however just they may be) 
3) Be close-minded

If people can't abide by these guidelines, please feel free to unsubscribe and "take it elsewhere". If you have suggestions for other guidelines to make this a welcoming place, feel free to mail me.

In support of Frank's suggestion I think it would be great to get together in a larger setting of some kind at wikimania. When looking at

http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_Papers (PS: your deadline for adding proposals is the 30th of april)

I see a lot of educational talks. Every year we have more and more of these at Wikimania, and every year we see more cool cases and theory. Can we come up with suggestions for doing something special at Wikimania this year where we can celebrate this and have an informal get together?

Jan-Bart

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Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:41:17 
From: Andrew Owens 
To: education@lists.wikimedia.org 
Subject: Re: [Education] Appropriate tone for this list...

Agreed.

Two points that come to mind:

* We're all working in distant locations around the globe, and sometimes it's easy to feel like one is isolated or alone in trying to get something going - maybe even get disheartened and give it up. At events such as the Chapters meetings and Wikimania, however, there is a tremendous amount of goodwill and willingness to share and help each other, and an amazing variety of projects going meaning that one doesn't have to start from scratch or "re-invent the wheel", and this list is an opportunity to make sure that such momentum isn't limited to those 5 or 6 days of the year when we do all meet.

* Different people's and countries' circumstances will necessarily be different as we're working with different institutions, bureaucracies, curricula, mindsets, cultures - that's part of the fun of being part of a global enterprise. What works in one part of the world may not work in another, or may work only to some extent before significant "tweaking" is needed. It's a good argument for a decentralised, collaborative approach to these things and I think the more we can achieve this way, the more recognition we'll get as a movement from WMF that we are the best agents of change in our respective parts of the world with regard to their mission so far as it extends to education and educational institutions/projects.

I also like the idea of doing something special and having an informal get-together at Wikimania. :)

kindest regards 
Andrew.

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Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:35:32 
From: Kathi Fletcher 
To: education@lists.wikimedia.org 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] [Education] Appropriate tone for this list...

Hi all,

I am mostly lurking here, because as a part of my fellowship with the Shuttleworth Foundation I am working on ways for open education resource repositories to be more interoperable and remixable, and looking at how communities generate and use content.

At a recent keynote by John Seely Brown, he passed on a wonderful definition of "critique". He was talking about the power of the "studio" model for education. In a studio, both masters and peers provide critiques and others working in the studio can each overhear and benefit. It seems relevant to this discussion.

So here is the definition, paraphrased to the best of my recollection:

Critique: Advice that moves a project forward along the project's own trajectory and within the perspectives of the project's team.

Kathi

== Farewell ==

Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:31:52 
To: education@lists.wikimedia.org 
From: "Virgilio A. P. Machado" <vam@fct.unl.pt> 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] [Education] Appropriate tone for this list...

Sorry, wrong list. Please disregard my previous post with my apologies.

== Exit ==

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Sonia, please get in touch on or off-list with Jan-Bart, he seems to be well informed and capable of giving you a more unbiased description of what has being going on than myself, being one of the interested parties, and report on whatever advice he has given, so far, to help move the education "project forward along the project's own trajectory and within the perspectives of the project's team." on the Brazilian Wikipedia.

Well, it took us three emails on this list in order to reach the moment where someone started being negative in tone.

The reason we started this list was to exchange ideas in a positive atmosphere. There are incredible examples (best practices) on how to use Wikimedia content on projects in an educational setting. We can share these and point out opportunities to one another. You don't have to talk to anybody to know that it is important that the tone of the list be positive, but above all: constructive.

Therefore this list is not a place to:

1) Antagonize one another or show a lack of respect to individuals 
2) Continue crusades which are already being fought on other platforms (however just they may be) 
3) Be close-minded

If people can't abide by these guidelines, please feel free to unsubscribe and "take it elsewhere". If you have suggestions for other guidelines to make this a welcoming place, feel free to mail tis list moderators.

I see a lot of educational talks. Every year we have more and more of these at Wikimania, and every year we see more cool cases and theory. Can we come up with suggestions for doing something special at Wikimania this year where we can celebrate this, have an informal get together, and pretend that everything is just swell?

"We're all working in distant locations around the globe, and sometimes it's easy to feel like one is isolated or alone in trying to get something going - maybe even get disheartened and give it up. At events such as the Chapters meetings and Wikimania, however, there is a tremendous amount of goodwill and willingness to share and help each other." Not in the Brazilian or Portuguese chapters, and certainly not in Wikimania, as stated by Jan-Bart de Vreede.

"What works in one part of the world may not work in another, or may work only to some extent before significant "tweaking" is needed." What led you to assume that not enough "tweaking" was done in order to ensure that it would work. Could you please present some evidence to support your assumption?

"It's a good argument for a decentralised, collaborative approach to these things" I thought so too, until told that "If people can't abide by these guidelines, please feel free to unsubscribe and "take it elsewhere". How about that for not "Antagonize one another or show a lack of respect to individuals." "Continue crusades which are already being fought on other platforms (however just they may be)", "Be close-minded."

One would expect from an education environment of any kind to find a high level of understanding of the Principles of Fairness, Integrity, Honesty, Human dignity, Service, Excellence, Potential, Growth, Patience, Nurturance, and Encouragement, not the kind of gross statements like those above.

Since nine messages were used to deal with a technical suggestion, it might be worth considering changing the name and focus of this list to "instruction." Education is a concept way above and much broader.

I was not aware that one of the objectives of this list was to obtain "more recognition [...] as a movement from WMF that we are the best agents of change in our respective parts of the world with regard to their mission so far as it extends to education and educational institutions/projects." Of course that assumes that you are from the right parts of the world, the rest be damned.

Thank you Kathi. Thank you for being so brave. My great respects to a lady from such an amazing part of the world. That was the kind of critique that I was expecting from educators: "Advice that moves a project forward along the project's own trajectory and within the perspectives of the project's team." I hope you will give me the honor to keep in touch. You might be of great help in keeping my tone appropriate to a general audience and avoid being told to "take it elsewhere."

Sincerely,

Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado)

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Downtown Haifa: To the left, farthest buildings before the sea, the "Rambam" Hospital and the medicine school; Black area - Haifa bay, with ships anchoring in it. Top-right - lights of the Qrayot, Haifa's suburbs. The intensly-lit area to the right is the Haifa port.

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The unspeakable Wiktionary

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== [http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Information_desk&oldid=8800737#Deletion_of_user_page Deletion of user page] ==

[[File:Dictionary through lens.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Through a lens darkly]]
Please let me know where I should file a request for my user page deletion to be undone. [[User:Vapmachado|Vapmachado]] 00:12, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

<hr>

For what purpose? When you do not participate in wiktionary, there is no reason to have a user page. Wiktionary is a [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dictionary dictionary], not a web page hosting site. --[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:EncycloPetey EncycloPetey] 00:28, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

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My sincerest apologies. I had no idea there was a requirement of a certain number of edits to be entitled to have a user page in this Wikimedia project. I never heard of such requirement in any other Wikimedia project. If you would be so kind as to direct me to the policy where such requirement was approved by the Wiktionary community, I'll be most obliged and I'll certainly evaluate my meager capabilities vis-a-vis the task of fulfilling it. If and when I meet that requirement where and/or to whom should I apply to have a user page? Do you have a review, censorship board or peer review system for user pages? 
I'm a bit surprised by the content and tone of your answer. The administrator that deleted my user page wrote that the reason was "vanity page". I assumed that he personally didn't like the ''content'' of my user page. My participation in this project was not questioned. Would there be any other objections from other editors? 
All my user pages, pretty much standard fare in all Wikimedia projects in the English language, where created to enable my participation in any project as the occasion arises and to allow others to know me, if the need for some contact occurred. 
Warmest regards, 
Virgilio A. P. Machado 
[[User:Vapmachado|Vapmachado]] 01:18, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

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Wiktionary does not rely on endless written policy, in the way that Wikipedia does. We do have a draft / guideline at [[Wiktionary:Usernames and user pages]], but do delete user pages as "vanity pages" when the editor does not participate, for the reasons previously described. --[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:EncycloPetey EncycloPetey] 01:23, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

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Thank you so very much for you kind attention. I reviewed very carefully your guideline at [[Wiktionary:Usernames and user pages]] and I am convinced that my user page met squarely all the stated criteria. If you have access to my deleted user page, please be so kind as to enlightening me as to where I have failed. If not, you may access my user page in any other Wikimedia project. They are all similar in content and appearance. You do refer again to "participation". Could you be more specific? Where is participation in Wiktionary defined and/or quantified? Forgive me for my insistence, but how does a user knows when he has "participated" enough to be entitled to have a user page in Wiktionary? I'm very sorry you didn't consider my motives to have a user page in Wiktionary to be worthy of such a privilege. Let me assure you that had I learned that such requirement existed I would had make sure I met it before creating my so called "vanity page" or would have simply passed Wiktionary. It was never my intention to trouble one of the project administrators with the deletion of my page and mostly you with this lengthy exchange about nothing. Let me assure you that I was very pleased and flattered when I saw my user page classified as a "vanity page". That is certainly a compliment that I strongly recommend that you continue to use. It does encourage people to participate in Wiktionary, making them feel right at home and most welcome. 
Warmest regards, 
Virgilio A. P. Machado 
[[User:Vapmachado|Vapmachado]] 02:21, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

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The only edits you have made in this project are the creation of your user page and in these requests to have it restored after deletion. That is not "participation". You created your user page in July of 2008, but have made no contributions to Wiktionary content at any time in the nearly two years since then. --[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:EncycloPetey EncycloPetey] 02:46, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

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So what? What is your point? Did you think I didn't know that? You should give me a bit more credit. Was there any claim on my part that I had made any other kind of edits in Wiktionary? If so, please show me where. Please, point it out to me. Again, and for the third time, does Wiktionary has or not an objective criteria of participation entitling an editor to have a user page? Again, "Let me assure you that had I learned that such requirement existed I would had make sure I met it before creating my so called "vanity page" or would have simply passed Wiktionary." Let me also point out to you that Wiktionary is stirring things up by deleting user pages and calling those users, albeit indirectly, "vain". That is way beyond addressing anybody in a civilized manner. That's certainly not to be expected from persons with a higher education who live in civilized societies. But I digress. Please let me know if Wiktionary has an objective criteria of participation entitling an editor to have a user page or restore my user page. I might even entertain the thought of contributing to Wiktionary. 
Warmest regards, 
Virgilio A. P. Machado 
[[User:Vapmachado|Vapmachado]] 04:17, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

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Re "I reviewed very carefully your guideline at [[Wiktionary:Usernames and user pages]] and I am convinced that my user page met squarely all the stated criteria": No. The first criterion is that user pages "should be constructive toward the goals of Wiktionary". Yours was not. (I can see deleted pages.) While some of the information you give on the page is very relevant on a Wiktionary editor's user page (e.g., the information about what languages you speak) and some of it may be relevant on a Wiktionary editor's user page (e.g., your professional training and profession, which may be relevant to the content of the user's edits), you're no Wiktionary editor. However, you now say "I might even entertain the thought of contributing to Wiktionary". That'd be nice. If you do wind up a Wiktionary editor, let me know (I won't keep an eye out) and I'll personally and with pleasure restore your user page. (Or you can in that case restore it yourself, inasmuch as you claim — I haven't checked — that your user page is similar to that on other projects.) All the best.—[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Msh210 msh210]℠ 15:12, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

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Fine. Tell me how many edits you want me to do and a deadline. 
Warmest regards, 
Virgilio A. P. Machado 
[[User:Vapmachado|Vapmachado]] 04:09, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

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It would be a judgment call. We like quality work and enthusiasm. ''—[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Mzajac Michael] [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User_talk:Mzajac Z.] 2010-04-09 05:24 z''

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I am not able to see what it was in the "vanity page" (can't see deleted pages without restoring, am I missing something?). Some users may prefer to fix their user pages, state some goals or introduce themselves but two years of inactivity and no previous activity is too long, I wouldn't blame the person for deleting it. Some users only create user pages after many edits or are not bothered at all. In my opinion, a user page should state user's language skills, if the only language is English, it should say so. --[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Atitarev Anatoli] 05:39, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

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His user page is a complete résumé, a curriculum vitae, including telephone numbers, hobbies, education, likes, dislikes, the whole shmear. It is a Wikipedia-style vanity page. We don’t make pages like that here. If he wants to edit Portuguese entries on a regular basis from now on, perhaps 50 edits per month, then a user page that lists language skills and country of origin would be okay. But he wants to list his autobiography and doesn’t want to make any further edits after he gets permission to have the page. [User:Stephen G. Brown —Stephen] 08:43, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

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He-he. Wiktionary definitely shouldn't serve as a place to post résumés or something like that. --[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Atitarev Anatoli] 13:00, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

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I'm no longer a bit surprised by the content and tone of your answers, which now cover the following: 
1) Derogatory, false, repeated and badly worded comments (His user page is a complete résumé, a curriculum vitae, including telephone numbers, hobbies, education, likes, dislikes, the whole shmear.) 
2) A discriminatory remark based on country of origin (If he wants to edit Portuguese entries on a regular basis from now on, perhaps 50 edits per month, then a user page that lists language skills and country of origin would be okay.) 
3) False and baseless comments (he wants to list his autobiography and doesn’t want to make any further edits after he gets permission to have the page.) 
4) Despicable laughter (He-he.) 
You "like quality work and enthusiasm"? So do I. What a shame that you feel entitle to express your opinions about your likes and I'm not allowed to do the same. 
Two years are nothing compared to current human life expectancy. "Too long" is a subjective opinion. 
You're all so smart. How come you're unable to answer a simple and direct question: 
a) What is Wiktionary criteria of participation entitling an editor to have a user page? 
(Sorry I'm not asking for anybody's personal opinion.) 
Even when I tried to make it easier, so far nobody has given a straight answer: 
b) Tell me how many edits you want me to do and a deadline. 
(Watch for what you write concerning beginning and continued edits, before someone starts deleting a lot of user pages. Despite your thousands of edits, eventually both you and your user page will both be deleted. I wonder if you will have anybody left to care or be bothered by that.) 
Hint: Anybody wants to risk being completely honest and straightforward about what is really going on here? Please feel free to use "E-mail this user." 
Warmest regards, 
Virgilio A. P. Machado 
[[User:Vapmachado|Vapmachado]] 02:33, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

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None of our admins is naive enough to send a direct e-mail to someone whose only edits are wiki-lawyering. Since you seem to be disruptive only, and not show any actual inclination contributing to Wiktionary (despite the hint that we could bribe you into a small token bit of editing before going completely inactive again), your account will be blocked if you continue to do nothing but argue. The community has more important things to do than respond to pointless arguing, empty whining, and wiki-lawyering. --[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:EncycloPetey EncycloPetey] 02:41, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

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== The hypothetical quadriplegic girl ==

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Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:29 AM 
To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
From: "Virgilio A. P. Machado" <vam@fct.unl.pt> 
Subject: [Foundation-l] pt:wiki policies

Dear Sirs,

Yesterday ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pedidos_a_administradores/Discuss%C3%A3o_de_bloqueio/Arquivo/2009/05#NH]), while discussing a private case, whose full details are confidential, I described a strictly hypothetical case as follows:

Suppose a [quadri]plegic girl learns how to use a computer and finds out about Wikipedia. After registering as a user she does all sort of trampling. Would there be any administrator willing to block her from editing Wikipedia?

So far, three administrators, one of them a bureaucrat and member of arbitration committee have answered YES.

The administrator bureaucrat later quoted [[Wikimedia:Non discrimination policy]], explaining that that policy did NOT allow them to treat editors differently, based on their [...] medical condition. [[Wikimedia:Code of Conduct Policy]] was also quoted.

I wonder if you would care to comment on all of the above.

Sincerely,

Virgilio A. P. Machado

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Phil Nash 
Thu May 14 18:40:41 UTC 2009

I don't think it's a case of discrimination; presumably her physical disability does not impair her mental faculty, and she is aware of what she is doing- and certainly should be after a number of warnings. If it's just a case of being unable to communicate effectively, we do have users on en:wiki with similar issues, and have persuaded them to be adopted by willing mentors. However, the bottom line to me is whether the harm to the encyclopedia (willed or not) outweighs the benefit of having that person editing.

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:16 
To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
From: "Virgilio A. P. Machado" <vam@fct.unl.pt> 
Subject: pt:wiki policies

This is in reference to: [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-May/051889.html]

I would like to thank Michael Bimmler for steering me through this mailing list. Michael always addressed me in a polite, professional, and non-judgmental manner. It was a pleasure to correspond with him. We had the kind and level of interaction I was expecting to find at the pt:wiki. Thanks also for the sensible comment made by Phil Nash. Although we might not be in complete agreement, some good points were raised and the benefit of experience is of great value. Twice I asked for Cary Bass' advice about posting this message, but I'm sorry to say that I never got an answer. According to Michael, Cary is Volunteer Coordinator at the Wikimedia Foundation. I'm sure he had more pressing matters to attend to.

Let me try to organize the discussion by separating a) a very real general question from b) my hypothetical example. I believe that the discussion of real examples will be beneficial to both.

a) A very real and clear statement was made by an administrator bureaucrat, also a member of the arbitration committee, which can be found here (the quotations are in English): [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pedidos_a_administradores/Discuss%C3%A3o_de_bloqueio/Arquivo/2009/05#NH]

He quoted the Wikimedia:Non discrimination policy, explaining that that policy did NOT allow them to treat editors differently, based on their [...] medical condition. Wikimedia:Code of Conduct Policy was also quoted.

I believe that "medical condition" includes the whole spectrum of physical and mental illnesses, but please let me know if my interpretation is not correct.

Phil Nash states that in case a registered user is not able to communicate effectively, as it has already happened on en:wiki, they have been persuaded to be adopted by willing mentors.

I consider that a good example of treating editors differently based on their medical condition. This is also similar to the special treatment given inexperienced users, namely through the Adopt-a-User program ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adopt-a-User]) that has a parallel in the Portuguese Wikipedia (please see interlanguage link.)

That procedure also conforms to current non discriminatory legislation in many countries that makes it compulsory to provide ramps for wheelchairs, Braille markings and sound warnings, and special education for those with all sorts of illnesses, both physical and mental. That is, a non discriminatory policy means that you treat people differently based on their medical condition. NOT treating editors differently, based on their medical condition, is considered DISCRIMINATION.

In the Portuguese Wikipedia, as exemplified by the statement of that administrator bureaucrat, and member of the arbitration committee, there is the exact opposite understanding and interpretation, contrary to what non discrimination is. So far, nobody else has contradicted that position which was only disclosed in response to my questioning.

My point is that this state of affairs in the Portuguese Wikipedia cannot be tolerated, condoned and supported by the resources of the Wikimedia Foundation, generously provided by volunteers and donors keen on improving the general knowledge and welfare of humankind and not the misguidance of a group that actively or with their silence have taken over the Portuguese Wikipedia. Swift and drastic measures need to be taken to stop this.

b) My strictly hypothetical case assumed that a [quadraplegic] girl had learned how to use a computer and found out about Wikipedia. After registering as a user she did all sort of trampling. To my question if there would be any administrator willing to block her from editing Wikipedia, three administrators, one of them a bureaucrat and member of the arbitration committee answered YES: [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pedidos_a_administradores/Discuss%C3%A3o_de_bloqueio/Arquivo/2009/05#NH]

No dissenting opinion has been published, to this date, anywhere on the Portuguese Wikipedia. I have refused to do so for the reasons stated at the conclusions of both part a) and b).

This is in stark contrast with the assumptions and procedures advocated by Phil Nash. First he narrows the case to one in which her physical disability does not impair her mental faculties, that she is aware of what she is doing, and certainly should be after a number of warnings. There's no problem with this scenario since it is added:

"If it's just a case of being unable to communicate effectively, we do have users on en:wiki with similar issues, and have persuaded them to be adopted by willing mentors". Thus a procedure is suggested to prevent errors at the source or have someone at the ready to revert them, without requesting for the user blocking. Admittedly, the corrective actions of such mentor would also avoid the need for those requests to be made and to act on them. I find this a viable and correct approach.

I beg to differ with Phil Nash when he states that "However, the bottom line to me is whether the harm to the encyclopedia (willed or not) outweighs the benefit of having that person editing". It is not difficult to conclude, even without any figures, that this kind of benefits-cost analysis would make any action in favor of the disabled unfeasible, and disability rights laws unactable. The very nature of Wikipedia makes it impossible to produce any harm comparable to the benefit of making its edition available to anyone whose capable of doing it, no matter at what cost in reverts. There's already enough vandalism being done by people supposedly sound of mind and body. It's hard to imagine that the marginal costs of handling the errors of the disabled would put the project in jeopardy. There might even be a way to tap additional resources to cope with such costs.

Such is the current situation of the Portuguese Wikipedia. I believe that as a consequence of the self management of the project, it is now being operated and run on a daily basis by a group of people with severe mental, emotional, and behavioral problems, completely out of control and without any kind of supervision and/or regulation. This has been corroborated by several pt-wikipedians. In an attempt to gather a sample of their statements, a non-exhaustive collection was made (http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Adeus_Wikip%C3%A9dia). It was voted for deletion (http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:P%C3%A1ginas_para_eliminar/Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Adeus_Wikip%C3%A9dia) with arguments from both sides that are outright embarrassing. Maintaining the page won by four votes.

This voting is just one of many examples of rampant disrespect for the five pillars, occurring, unchallenged, on a regular basis on the Portuguese Wikipedia. Mobbing is practiced matter of factly, and promoted openly on discussion pages. Just for your information, please be aware that I was already harassed on the Portuguese Wikipedia ([http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Esplanada/Arquivo/2009/Maio#Vapmachado_resmungando_na_lista_de_discuss.C3.A3o_da_Wikimedia_Foundation]) for bringing up this subject on "foundation-l." I was under the threat of banishment (http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Vapmachado#Aviso_2) from the pages where this harassment takes place, by the same administrator bureaucrat and member of the of arbitration committee mentioned in both parts a) and b). When I questioned the voting for violating that Wikipedia is free content, I ended up blocked for six days (http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Vapmachado#Bloqueio_2).

I don't think that analysis of much of the goings on in the pt:wiki by competent professionals would give it a clean bill of mental health. It's a crazy world, I know, but the project is of an encyclopedia, not a crazypedia (forgive my hyperbole.) "Pero si muove." Certainly, it does, but at what cost, it is my turn to ask. Is it really as impossible to bring a project like this under control, once it gets spinning on its own axis, as it is to stop the Earth from moving? Or are there enough resources to correct the course?

Sincerely,

Virgílio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado)

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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:50 
From: Nathan 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] pt:wiki policies

Virgilio, you simply have not provided or described sufficient evidence to back up the conclusion that the people who "run" pt.wp are have severe emotional problems. Such accusations serve only to call your own integrity into question, which I'm sure you wish to avoid.

It should be noted that most disability access laws refer to the right of access to certain classes of goods and services and employment. Editing Wikipedia would not seem to fall into any of the typically covered categories, even were it under the jurisdiction of such laws. While I'm not an expert on the subject, I'm not aware of any laws that even require access to the Internet, let alone resources or activities accessed through it. So the question of law is really separate; if you want to make a case about access, it needs to be done on other grounds.

In the last discussion it was said by many that the primary role of editors is the contribution and improvement of free content, and the privilege of editing access is provided for that purpose. If we can help people with certain disabilities be productive as editors, we should. If a disabled editor, as any editor, becomes disruptive and impedes the goal of the project (and assistance fails to solve the problem) then that person should be blocked.

My suggestion is that if you have a specific problem you'd like addressed, bring that specific problem to the front. The way you've written your post, it seems like you are trying to elicit statements that you can bring back to pt.wp and use in a dispute - all without telling us what the actual dispute is. That doesn't really fly here.

Nathan

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To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
From: "Happy-melon" 
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:16 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] pt:wiki policies

The Wikimedia wikis are, ultimately, private websites, owned and operated by the Foundation. That the software they run happens to allow millions of users the ability to make changes to said site is ultimately just fortunate coincidence: the ability to edit Wikimedia wikis is a privilege, not a right, and one that can be withdrawn at any time and for any reason. With the usual IANAL [I am not a lawyer] disclaimer, legal non-discrimination mandates have no force here. If the issue were a Wikimedia *employee* being fired or blocked with the additional factor of said disability, the situation would be very different. That is not the case. In this context, we are guided only by our own ethics, and the values and goals of the project.

--HM

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Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 20:51 
From: David Goodman <dgoodmanny@gmail.com> 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] pt:wiki policies

The key phrase here in basic policy applicable here is "that anybody can edit." Naturally, we can & do interpret it as meaning anybody who is willing to cooperate with the rules and customs of the site. We also by necessity must interpret it as anyone is able to have access to the Internet.

Regardless of the possible lack of legal obligations in present law to accommodate medical conditions (and what country's law would apply here?) -- I think we are morally obliged to, to the extent we can do so without inordinate difficulty. The moral obligation is based on the likelihood that we would want accommodations made for ourselves if we needed them.

David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG

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To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
From: "Happy-melon" 
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:40 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] pt:wiki policies

Yes, that's definitely true. But our ultimate guiding principle is the greater good of the project. "Anyone can edit" should apply to, as you say, anyone who is prepared to work constructively with the project, regardless of any disability (we take great pains, for instance, to make pages *editable*, not just readable, by blind users). However, if a user is unable to cause a net benefit to the project through their contributions, for *whatever* reason, then our obligation then becomes one of minimising any damage caused, often by blocking and banning. IIRC [If I recall correctly] there have been past incidents involving editors with mental illnesses; I can imagine a similar problem resulting from an editor with Tourette's. If a contributor is destructive to the project as a result of physical or mental impairment, our actions shouldn't, IMO [In my opinion], be affected by that impairment (partly because it's difficult or impossible to *verify* such a situation). Attempting to get troublesome editors to accept mentorship, or other similar methods, is *always* better for the project than an outright ban, at least initially; the presence or absence of medical conditions doesn't change that either. But Virgilio, it is perfectly possible, and reasonably common, for communities to decide that the most efficient, and beneficial to the project, way of reacting to certain editors' contributions, is to ask them to exercise their right to leave. Banning is a viable action when a user is consistently and irredeemably unconstructive. To us, *why* they are acting in such a way is ultimately irrelevant.

--HM

== "Antisocial production" ==

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From: Eddie Tejeda 
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:57 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production"

'Forget altruism. Misanthropy and egotism are the fuel of online social production. That's the conclusion suggested by a new study of the character traits of the contributors to Wikipedia. A team of Israeli research psychologists gave personality tests to 69 Wikipedians and 70 non-Wikipedians. They discovered that, as New Scientist puts it <http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16349-psychologist-finds-wikipedians-grumpy-and-closedminded.html>, Wikipedians are generally "grumpy," "disagreeable," and "closed to new ideas."' http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2009/06/the_sour_wikipe.php

I wonder how the mailing list will react....

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From: Fred Bauder 
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:07 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production"

Always knew this, Wikipedia is generally an outlet for folks who have low interpersonal social skills, or at least insufficient outlets for self expression. As to "Disagreeable and closed to new ideas", that is policy, Wikipedia is a compendium of established knowledge, not a place for new ideas, which we call original research.

Fred Bauder

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From: Phil Nash 
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:16 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production"

1. Small sample, making statistical significance difficult to assess
2. Selected sample, meaning likewise - did the Wikipedians contribute to en:wiki or other wikis?
2a. Sample selection for non-Wikipedia editors? How and from where?
3. If the questionnaire isn't published, it's incapable of independent analysis for bias in the questions asked
4. Peer-reviewed research by whom?

and that's just for starters. I look forward to seeing the whole lot, because I, for one, disbelieve such wide conclusions.

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From: Marc Riddell 
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:27 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production"

on 6/27/09 6:07 PM, Fred Bauder [...] wrote:

> Always knew this, Wikipedia is generally an outlet for folks who have low interpersonal social skills, or at least insufficient outlets for self expression. As to "Disagreeable and closed to new ideas", that is policy, Wikipedia is a compendium of established knowledge, not a place for new ideas, which we call original research.

C'mon, Fred; it is "policy" to be "disagreeable"? And as for "closed to new ideas"; that may be appropriate to the body of the encyclopedia itself, but it applies very much in the various Mailing Lists & Talk Pages. Take a good look.

Marc Riddell

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From: Steven Walling 
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:29 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production"

I concur with Phil. That thing is more press stunt than it is a conclusive scientific study. The key thing that makes me discount it is, just like in a survey of articles, Wikipedia as a community is both gargantuan and diverse. The motivation and character of the long tail of contributors who steadily make a few edits a month is obviously vastly different than the top hundred editors by number of edits. I've yet to see a serious sociologist break down and study the community like they would a meatspace culture (though there are those doing so from a purely statistical perspective).

Steven

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From: David Moran 
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:35 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production"

While not exactly science, having gone to more than one Wikipedia picnic to break bread with my fellow contributors ... the conclusions seem pretty accurate to me.

DM

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From: Marc Riddell 
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:51 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production"

And, until that changes, the Project will grow only in size, but not in depth.

Marc Riddell

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From: Phil Nash 
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:27 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production"

I wonder how much of that is due to cultural differences, taking the Pokemon vs Medieval Philosophy difference as one example?

Editors have multifarious interests, and IMO, the worst of them tend to discount outside interests, particularly when it comes to "popular culture", as irrelevant. I'd suggest that NPOV suggests that within a historical perspective, it is not for us now to judge such issues, after all, it's not as if we are short of disk space for our articles. I'm reminded of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Cultures but these days, we have many more than two cultures represented in en:wiki, so diversity should not only be expected, but encouraged; this, to me, means that editors should occasionally step outside their comfort zone and see what is going on elsewhere. Perhaps, since I watchlist about 1600 articles of various types, I get an overview denied to, or rejected by, others, but then also, perhaps I have too much time on my hands. Ho hum.

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From: Milos Rancic 
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:55 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production"

On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Eddie Tejeda [...] wrote:

> 'Forget altruism. Misanthropy and egotism are the fuel of online social production. That's the conclusion suggested by a new study of the character traits of the contributors to Wikipedia. A team of Israeli research psychologists gave personality tests to 69 Wikipedians and 70 non-Wikipedians. They discovered that, as New Scientist puts it <http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16349-psychologist-finds-wikipedians-grumpy-and-closedminded.html>, Wikipedians are generally "grumpy," "disagreeable," and "closed to new ideas."' http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2009/06/the_sour_wikipe.php

> I wonder how the mailing list will react....

Generally, my experiences are close to that conclusion.

The problem is that even it is a close approximation of Wikipedian community, Wikipedian community is the best which humanity has. Scientific communities all over the world are much worse: openness is low, flexibility is low, vanity is high, scientific sincerity is low... -- besides the characteristics of Wikipedians, which are, also, characteristics of scientists. Not to talk about artists, businesspersons, bankers, politicians...

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From: Fred Bauder 
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:06 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production"

Yes, that perspective is correct. We do fairly well, comparatively.

Fred

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From: Fred Bauder 
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:10 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production"

> on 6/27/09 6:35 PM, David Moran [...] wrote:

>> While not exactly science, having gone to more than one Wikipedia picnic to break bread with my fellow contributors ... the conclusions seem pretty accurate to me.

>> DM

> And, until that changes, the Project will grow only in size, but not in depth.

> Marc Riddell

Overly pessimistic, one of the things I have done in my life is ferry NBA teams around. If they couldn't play on the court considerably better than than they get along, any high school team could beat them. Elites have a great deal of trouble with social interaction, but they nevertheless can perform.

Fred

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From: Fred Bauder 
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:14 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production"

> on 6/27/09 6:07 PM, Fred Bauder [...] wrote:

>> Always knew this, Wikipedia is generally an outlet for folks who have low interpersonal social skills, or at least insufficient outlets for self expression. As to "Disagreeable and closed to new ideas", that is policy, Wikipedia is a compendium of established knowledge, not a place for new ideas, which we call original research.

> C'mon, Fred; it is "policy" to be "disagreeable"? And as for "closed to new ideas"; that may be appropriate to the body of the encyclopedia itself, but it applies very much in the various Mailing Lists & Talk Pages. Take a good look.

> Marc Riddell

OK, an error, it is not policy to be disagreeable, policy is to be civil, and on the mailing lists and irc too, but I'll stand by the observation that Wikipedia is a dull place, "Just the facts, Ma'am", and intended to be.

Fred

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From: geni 
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:40 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production"

2009/6/27 Phil Nash [...]:

> 1. Small sample, making statistical significance difficult to assess

It's big enough to get some results. The ones across gender lines are more questionable.

> 3. If the questionnaire isn't published, it's incapable of independent analysis for bias in the questions asked

It probably is published but not circulated among the general public.

> 4. Peer-reviewed research by whom?

Whoever does the peer review for CyberPsychology & Behavior I supose.

> and that's just for starters. I look forward to seeing the whole lot, because I, for one, disbelieve such wide conclusions.

The results are hardly earth shattering as it basically adds up to "wikipedia is written but people with weak social skills aka nerds"

-- geni

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From: Milos Rancic 
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 06:13 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production"

I think that it is very on topic and that we should have it here. What do others think?

I know that a lot of foundation-l subscribers are Wikizine subscribers, too; but I think that many are not because they don't know that it exists. And this will be the constant issue: All newcomers will know for foundation-l much more before Wikizine. And Wikizine summarizes what is going on around WMF projects.

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From: Bence Damokos 
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:16 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production"

You can find the original study at: http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/pdfplus/10.1089/cpb.2007.0225?cookieSet=1 <http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/pdfplus/10.1089/cpb.2007.0225?cookieSet=1>apparently they used a pre-existing questionairre called the BFI Questionnaire (probably stands for Big Five Inventory; the closest article in Wikipedia on the subject might be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits)

Best regards,
Bence Damokos

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From: Marc Riddell 
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:35 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production"

on 6/27/09 7:27 PM, Phil Nash [...] wrote:

> I wonder how much of that is due to cultural differences, taking the Pokemon vs Medieval Philosophy difference as one example?

> Editors have multifarious interests, and IMO, the worst of them tend to discount outside interests, particularly when it comes to "popular culture", as irrelevant. I'd suggest that NPOV suggests that within a historical perspective, it is not for us now to judge such issues, after all, it's not as if we are short of disk space for our articles. I'm reminded of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Cultures but these days, we have many more than two cultures represented in en:wiki, so diversity should not only be expected, but encouraged; this, to me, means that editors should occasionally step outside their comfort zone and see what is going on elsewhere. Perhaps, since I watchlist about 1600 articles of various types, I get an overview denied to, or rejected by, others, but then also, perhaps I have too much time on my hands. Ho hum.

Phil, I'm not talking about Article v. Article, or Subject Area v. Subject Area. I am presenting to an overall, cohesive cultural standard that would clearly define the entire Project.

As it is now, what culture there is is very cult-like in that its members religiously protect what is, and are very resistant to what could be, i.e., change. For the Project to truly grow in depth, and get itself out of the box it has placed itself in, this resistance to change must be confronted.

The Wikipedia Project has been virtually without competition for its entire existence. That may very well soon change.

Marc Riddell

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From: Tisza Gergő 
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:52 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production"

Eddie Tejeda [...] writes:

> 'Forget altruism. Misanthropy and egotism are the fuel of online social production. That's the conclusion suggested by a new study of the character traits of the contributors to Wikipedia. A team of Israeli research psychologists gave personality tests to 69 Wikipedians and 70 non-Wikipedians. They discovered that, as New Scientist puts it <http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16349-psychologist-finds-wikipedians-grumpy-and-closedminded.html>, Wikipedians are generally "grumpy," "disagreeable," and "closed to new ideas."' http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2009/06/the_sour_wikipe.php

> I wonder how the mailing list will react....

This is old news, the Signpost covered the research sometime January. Methodologically it is not much worth: it was based on an online questionnaire, so there is no way to tell which segment (if any) of the he.wiki community it is representative of.

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From: Ray Saintonge 
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:53 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production"

The New Scientist article was indeed dated January 3, and this suggests that people on the Foundation mailing list don't pay a lot of attention to the Signpost either.

Ec

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From: Ray Saintonge 
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:40 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production"

Fred Bauder wrote:

> Always knew this, Wikipedia is generally an outlet for folks who have low interpersonal social skills, or at least insufficient outlets for self expression. As to "Disagreeable and closed to new ideas", that is policy, Wikipedia is a compendium of established knowledge, not a place for new ideas, which we call original research.

The flaw in the latter part of your comments is that I don't believe that they were talking about content. Had it been about content you would certainly be right. Biting newbies, aggressive insistence on established procedures and guidelines across a wide range of article types, or general impatience are all part of the more disagreeable qualities to be found. As a community grows in size and self-importance it becomes easier to ignore new ideas by reacting to them with silence. By quietly disposing of new ideas the community's immune system is at its bacteriophagic best; it is just not smart enough to distinguish between cancers and cures.

Ec

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From: Gerard Meijssen 
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:00 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production"

2009/6/29 Ray Saintonge [...]

> The New Scientist article was indeed dated January 3, and this suggests that people on the Foundation mailing list don't pay a lot of attention to the Signpost either.

> Ec

Hoi,

The signpost is something of the English Wikipedia. I do not frequent there. Also you are wrong on principles when you expect people of this list to give the English Wikipedia all their attention. This is after all the foundation list.

Thanks.

GerardMM

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From: phoebe ayers 
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:20 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production"

Don't be grumpy :) This seems like a good time to plug the Signpost (again):

We have a blog: http://www.wikipediasignpost.com/blog/ with an RSS feed of new issues, so you never have to go near the English Wikipedia if you don't want to.

Though if you do, you can sign up for talk page delivery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Tools/Spamlist and as a special bonus Sage is keeping a twitter account with interesting WP news: http://twitter.com/wikisignpost

And we're trying hard to include project-wide and Foundation news, including research etc., as well as happenings on en:wp. (don't forget to add your tips to the tipline: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Suggestions).

-- Phoebe

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From: Gerard Meijssen 
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:56 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production"

Hoi,

Is this blog syndicated on either of the two ? That would be the obvious thing to get it read :)

Thanks,

GerardM

== "Antisocial production" & pt:wiki policies ==

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''This is the first time that I wrote about '''empathy''' on this list. It would not be the last.''

From: Virgilio A. P. Machado 
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:35 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] "antisocial production" & pt:wiki policies

Talking about antisocial... It's quite interesting what I experienced in this very list.

I wasn't aware of the study published in the New Scientist until I read about it here on the list, and appreciate the information very much.

Earlier this month I wrote about my perception of the same inadequate behavior on the Portuguese Wikipedia and the adverse consequences that might have. Not surprisingly I met a pretty derogatory comment and plenty of silence. I certainly don't have the status of the New Scientist. I also don't have, yet, any study to back up my observations.

Nevertheless I'm saddened by the undeniable evidence, that even on this list it is easier to find displeasure than empathy, camaraderie, not to mention friendship. As I was told: That doesn't really fly here.

Sincerely,

Virgilio A. P. Machado

File:Unit Tindakan Khas PGK CT's drill.jpg

2011-07-19T03:42:31Z

Vapmachado: The PGK Detachment A move forward at the roof top to "hostiles target" during a Counter-Terrorism mock-up exercise. Taken at the PGK A Special Operations Training Facility in Bukit Aman, Kuala Lumpur. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Unit_Tindakan_

The PGK Detachment A move forward at the roof top to "hostiles target" during a Counter-Terrorism mock-up exercise. Taken at the PGK A Special Operations Training Facility in Bukit Aman, Kuala Lumpur.

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File:The Occupiers Give Notice - geograph.org.uk - 856283.jpg

2011-07-19T03:38:40Z

Vapmachado: The Occupiers Give Notice Sign on a passage between houses in Thompson's Lane. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Occupiers_Give_Notice_-_geograph.org.uk_-_856283.jpg Licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.0 Generic licens

The Occupiers Give Notice Sign on a passage between houses in Thompson's Lane.

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