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== Summary == .mp3 file linked from [https://web.archive.org/web/20130304122035/http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/02/15/3691244.htm?site=conversations ABC (Australia) broadcast Friday 15 February 2013 (ABC Radio National Conversations with Richard Fidler)]. This audio is mentioned in Ed Buckner's [https://www.logicmuseum.com/x/index.php/Editor_retention article] on editor retention

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