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Session Start: Mon Dec 26 00:00:01 2011 Session Ident: #wikipedia-en �03[00:01] * Amgine (~amgine@50.98.19.252) has joined #wikipedia-en �15[00:01] * Amgine (~amgine@50.98.19.252) Quit (Changing host�) �03[00:01] * Amgine (~amgine@wikinews/Amgine) has joined #wikipedia-en �03[00:02] * ChaoticGood (~ChaoticGo@75-27-241-138.lightspeed.psdnca.sbcglobal.net) has left #wikipedia-en �15[00:02] * IShadowed (~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds�) �03[00:02] * MX80 (~MX80@cust56.253.117.74.dsl.g3telecom.net) has joined #wikipedia-en �06[00:04] * Ironholds has finished a blog post. That, sirs, is the smell of satisfaction. �03[00:04] * erikhaugen (~erikhauge@c-107-3-143-246.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #wikipedia-en �15[00:04] * erikhaugen (~erikhauge@c-107-3-143-246.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Changing host�) �03[00:04] * erikhaugen (~erikhauge@wikipedia/ErikHaugen) has joined #wikipedia-en �08[00:06] <derp> Howdy Ironholds, happy holidays and Happy Hannukah :) [00:06] <Ironholds> yo �03[00:06] * JeffAndroIrcAFK (~Jeff_G_do@wikipedia/Jeff-G.) has joined #wikipedia-en �06[00:06] * sonia hugs Ironholds [00:06] <Ironholds> sonia: how goeth? �08[00:06] * derp huggles sonia tightly. [00:06] <sonia> fairly well, at the moment. �06[00:07] * sonia feeds derp some ice cream. �15[00:07] * evilgohan2 (~freenode@c-68-48-223-68.hsd1.md.comcast.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer�) [00:07] <Ironholds> sonia: excellent! had a good jesusday? �08[00:08] <derp> sonia, i had LOTS of ice cream :) �03[00:08] * evilgohan2 (~freenode@c-68-48-223-68.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:08] <sonia> I slept through it actually, Ironholds, then edited and watched my little pony all night �03[00:08] * TheChaoticGood (~ChaoticGo@75-27-241-138.lightspeed.psdnca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:09] <Ironholds> sonia: I spent the day running around giggling [00:09] <sonia> hah [00:09] <sonia> why so? [00:09] <Ironholds> with a black christmas hat rammed on my head that read BAH HUMBUG, with my ears poking out like an elf [00:09] <Pilif12p> Hey Ironholds, you're a law person, right? [00:09] <Ironholds> because christmas hats are inherently funny, and giggling adults doubly so [00:10] <Ironholds> it's a self-perpetuating cycle �08[00:10] <derp> Howdy Pilif12p :) [00:10] <Ironholds> Pilif12p: what do you need? :P [00:10] <Pilif12p> hi derp [00:10] <sonia> Ironholds: pics or it didn't happen �15[00:10] * Betacommand (~Betacomma@unaffiliated/betacommand) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 9.0.1/20111220165912]�) [00:10] <Pilif12p> Ironholds: Would a laptop manufacturer putting something in their BIOS so that only three wifi cards, one of which is manufactured by them work be considered a monopoly/be in violation of antitrust laws? [00:10] <Ironholds> sonia: there is a pic of me, tired from giggling at 2pm, asleep and cuddling a pillow [00:11] <sonia> aww [00:11] <sonia> where is this picture? [00:11] <Ironholds> it was originally my other half [00:11] <Ironholds> she escaped and then shoved a pillow between my arms to prevent me noticing [00:11] <sonia> heh [00:11] <Ironholds> sonia: on facebook, or it will be in 30 seconds �08[00:11] <derp> Pilif12p, wich country would said laws apply to? [00:11] <sonia> 'k [00:11] <Ironholds> Pilif12p: which nation? I can only comment on EU competition law. [00:12] <Pilif12p> Ironholds: Uh, the company is based somewhere in Asia, but distributes worldwide �03[00:12] * Doyak (~AndChat@211.206.40.198) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:12] <harej> Pilif12p: Then what country do YOU live in? [00:12] <Ironholds> Pilif12p: with EU subsidiaries? [00:13] <Pilif12p> harej: US �03[00:13] * lucasoutloud (~anonymous@ip70-178-13-44.ks.ks.cox.net) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:13] <Ironholds> they'd ideally need a legal entity registered in an EU nation �03[00:13] * Betacommand (~Betacomma@unaffiliated/betacommand) has joined #wikipedia-en �15[00:13] * Stelpa (~Stelpa@lorde.caltech.edu) Quit (Remote host closed the connection�) [00:13] <harej> Pilif12p: If this firm is found to be breaking U.S. laws, the Department of Commerce can block importation of this product in question. �03[00:14] * Dcoetzee (~chatzilla@wikimedia/Dcoetzee) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:14] <Pilif12p> Ironholds: I have no idea if they're one... [00:14] <harej> (I am not a lawyer.) �15[00:14] * DarkXPhenomenon (~DarkXPhen@117.211.85.123) Quit [00:14] <Ironholds> Pilif12p: that'd be the crucial thing [00:14] <Ironholds> no EU subsidiary, no EU law [00:14] <Dcoetzee> Hey all :-) [00:15] <Pilif12p> how would I go about searching? �08[00:15] <derp> JSTOR? [00:15] <harej> Ironholds: That's interesting; I don't think the United States cares if a company has a U.S. subsidiary or not. [00:16] <sonia> Ironholds: suddenly can't find you on fb, huh [00:16] <Ironholds> sonia: I went crazy and may have blocked every wikimedian at one point �08[00:16] <derp> or even a shell company, or umbrella company. �06[00:16] * Ironholds looks guilty [00:16] <sonia> heh [00:16] <Ironholds> harej: then what would you even sue? [00:16] <sonia> that's not a problem :P [00:17] <Pilif12p> Ironholds: it *looks* like the company does [00:17] <harej> Ironholds: You'd sue the foreign corporation? But you're right; practically speaking every company that does business in the U.S. probably has some form of operation in the U.S. �03[00:17] * TheChaoticGood (~ChaoticGo@75-27-241-138.lightspeed.psdnca.sbcglobal.net) has left #wikipedia-en ("Silentium est aureum"�) [00:18] <harej> What I do know is that the government can block the importation of products if they violate U.S. law. [00:19] <Ironholds> harej: no, but how would you sue the foreign corporation? [00:19] <harej> I cannot answer that. [00:19] <Ironholds> I'm a US citizen wanting to sue a Chinese company in a US court. How? [00:19] <Ironholds> mindspillage, you're needed. [00:19] <Ironholds> I know it works the other way around - see ATS - but that sounds impossible to enforce. [00:19] <Ironholds> Pilif12p: aha! [00:19] <Ironholds> then I can provide an answer [00:20] <harej> It's not possible unless someone found a way to serve someone in a foreign country and then have that subpoena have the force of law in that country. �03[00:20] * [Addihockey10] (~chatzilla@wikimedia/Addihockey10) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:20] <harej> I.e. extradition, but for civil suits, which I am not sure is a thing. [00:20] <Ironholds> *nods* [00:20] <Ironholds> see, over here, we have this concept of enforcing reasonable civil writs from other nations [00:20] <mindspillage> You can sue a foreign corporation in a US court if they operate in the US. You may not actually be able to meaningfully enforce though. [00:20] <Ironholds> Pilif12p: you'd be looking at Article 102, abuse of dominant position [00:20] <Ironholds> cartel doesn't really work, that'd be 101. [00:21] <harej> mindspillage: There is a distinction between a foreign corporation registered to operate in the U.S. and a foreign organization with a U.S. subsidiary, yes? [00:21] <Ironholds> Anyway, first, you'd need to show they control a substantial chunk of the market - the test, according to case law, is basically "enough that they can flip the bird at manufacturers and consumers" [00:21] <mindspillage> harej: what kind of distinction are you thinking of? [00:21] <Pilif12p> (the company in question is Lenovo) [00:21] <harej> mindspillage: The one that exists at the state level :P [00:21] <harej> But on a national basis, or something. [00:22] <harej> As it relates to trade among the states and between nations. [00:22] <Pilif12p> simply google "Lenovo bios whitelist" and there are many results. [00:22] <harej> But that raises a good point; technically, there is no such thing as a United States corporation. [00:22] <Ironholds> second largest PC maker...okay, dominant, yes :P [00:22] <harej> Corporate law is one of the few areas where state sovereignty still exists. �06[00:22] * mindspillage reads scrollback further back to see what the original issue was. [00:22] <Ironholds> sonia: now on facespace [00:22] <sonia> I saw, and awwwwed. [00:22] <Ironholds> hehe [00:23] <Ironholds> Pilif12p: second question; are they abusing this position to unfairly restrict consumer choice? [00:23] <mindspillage> Pilif12p: good freaking luck. Theoretically the FTC could intervene, practically, you have better luck building a perpetual motion machine. [00:23] <Ironholds> a good piece of guidance on this is Microsoft v Commission, actually [00:23] <Pilif12p> Ironholds: They can *buy* whatever they want, but there's a good chance that what they buy won't work �03[00:23] * Fae (~Fae@wikipedia/Fae) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:23] <Ironholds> that'd count as a "yes" [00:24] <Ironholds> congratulations! You will not immediately get laughed out of court. �03[00:24] * TheTylersPrice (4b278b2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.39.139.46) has joined #wikipedia-en �15[00:24] * Suiseiseki (~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds�) [00:24] <Ironholds> you will need to speak to the European Commission, or, since Directive 1/2003, the national competition law body of whichever nation they have a legal presence in. �03[00:24] * Suiseiseki (~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:25] <Ironholds> Despite 1/2003 the right of private people or entities to enforce is incredibly limited. The right of national authorities, however, is limitless [00:25] <mindspillage> Pilif12p: the issue is that you wouldn't really have standing to sue them for antitrust issues yourself. You could a) try to get a class action suit going or b) try to get the FTC to intervene. I have alreayd cynically commented on the prospects of the latter. [00:25] <harej> mindspillage: the IRS deposited Wikimedia DC's user fee check :x [00:25] <Pilif12p> Even if it's not illegal, it's totally unethical, and if they don't provide a decent answer to my request I won't be buying another product from them. [00:25] <Ironholds> (to the point where the law says "if Ofcom wants to break into an office without a search warrant and steal all the paperwork, that's cool") �15[00:25] * Earwig (~earwig@wikipedia/The-Earwig) Quit (Quit: Earwig�) �03[00:26] * TheTylersPrice is now known as FONsuxx �03[00:26] * IShadowed (~IShadowed@pool-71-173-217-20.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net) has joined #wikipedia-en �15[00:26] * IShadowed (~IShadowed@pool-71-173-217-20.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Changing host�) �03[00:26] * IShadowed (~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:26] <Pilif12p> mindspillage: being under 18 sucks >_> I doubt that my parents would file a class action lawsuit over this �06[00:26] * sonia laughs [00:26] <Ironholds> mindspillage: A would presumably be dependant, realistically, on there being something to sue. A class action against a foreign company is all well and nice but doesn't actually result in paydirt. [00:26] <[Addihockey10]> Pilif12p: I have a solution. [00:26] <harej> Ironholds: I'd criticize your governmental structure for being cool with warrantless search and seizure, but then again I *am* from the United States. [00:26] <[Addihockey10]> Pilif12p: STOP BITCHING :-) [00:26] <Pilif12p> I'll simply call their support center, bitch them out, and tell everybody I know never to buy a lenovo computer. �03[00:26] * Resfirestar (~sam@r74-195-210-202.end1cmtc01.enidok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:26] <Ironholds> harej: it is subject to judicial review �15[00:26] * Resfirestar (~sam@r74-195-210-202.end1cmtc01.enidok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) Quit (Changing host�) �03[00:26] * Resfirestar (~sam@wikipedia/Res2216firestar) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:26] <Ironholds> [Addihockey10]: pot, kettle [00:26] <mindspillage> Ironholds: it does for the lawyers! Individual class members would get a lovely $20 coupon on a future computer purchase. [00:27] <Ironholds> who was it who emailed me going "can you sue a canadian company for me please for sending me a computer that didn't have a bluetooth adapter"? [00:27] <Ironholds> I do believe it was yourself. �15[00:27] * funnyfarm299 (~chatzilla@67.20.132.186.dyn-e120.pool.hargray.net) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 8.0.1/20111120135848]�) [00:27] <Ironholds> mindspillage: hah [00:27] <harej> mindspillage: In the depressingly many cases where warrantless search and seizure happens against the Fourth Amendment, is that subject to judicial review? [00:27] <[Addihockey10]> Nope. Not at all. [00:27] <Pilif12p> [Addihockey10]: Yeah, when I spend my money on something that's supposed to work on a computer, I expect it to work in my computer [00:27] <[Addihockey10]> Ironholds: American too. [00:27] <mindspillage> harej: what do you mean, 4th amendment? Didn't we delete that one? [00:27] <Pilif12p> Not be blocked because the manufacturer doesn't want me putting what I want in my computer [00:28] <Ironholds> mindspillage: surely they'd get 4 dollars; lawyers fees, and all [00:28] <Ironholds> mindspillage: oh, hello justice Scalia, you've got shorter �03[00:28] * openstrings (~sonia@122-61-91-253.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:28] <Ironholds> openstrings: wb [00:28] <mindspillage> harej: again, good freaking luck. The border search exception stuff has already been litigated a few times and the 4th amendment lost. �03[00:28] * openstrings is now known as Guest85558 [00:28] <harej> Actually, as the result of a class action lawsuit against Apple, my dad was able to trade in his 1st generation iPod nano that died a long time ago with the latest generation iPod nano. [00:29] <mindspillage> (where "border" means "basically any transportation hub and anything remotely near a coast") [00:29] <[Addihockey10]> harej: What was the lawsuit for? 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LOOK!: http://pastebin.com/wAX9Kmfe http://pastebin.com/wAX9Kmfe http://pastebin.com/wAX9Kmfe http://pastebin.com/wAX9Kmfe http://pastebin.com/wAX9Kmfe http://pastebin.com/wAX9Kmfe http://pastebin.com/wAX9Kmfe http://pastebin.com/wAX9Kmfe http://pastebin.com/wAX9Kmfe http://pastebin.com/wAX9Kmfe http://pastebin.com/w [00:31] <FONsuxx> HEY, EVERYONE! If you remember some asshole rogue admin named Freakofnurture, I HAVE SOME PERSONAL INFO ON HIM!!! LOOK!: http://pastebin.com/wAX9Kmfe http://pastebin.com/wAX9Kmfe http://pastebin.com/wAX9Kmfe http://pastebin.com/wAX9Kmfe http://pastebin.com/wAX9Kmfe http://pastebin.com/wAX9Kmfe http://pastebin.com/wAX9Kmfe http://pastebin.com/wAX9Kmfe http://pastebin.com/wAX9Kmfe http://pastebin.com/wAX9Kmfe http://pastebin.com/w [00:31] <[Addihockey10]> !ops �03[00:31] * ChanServ sets mode: +o log �03[00:31] * FONsuxx (4b278b2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.39.139.46) has left #wikipedia-en (requested by log (Goodbye)�) �03[00:31] * log sets mode: +b *!4b278b2e@gateway/* �03[00:31] * ChanServ sets mode: -o log �03[00:31] * ChanServ sets mode: +o log �15[00:31] * sonia (~sonia@wikipedia/sonia) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds�) �03[00:31] * ChanServ sets mode: +o jeremyb �03[00:31] * log sets mode: +r �03[00:31] * ChanServ sets mode: -o log �03[00:31] * Guest85558 is now known as sonia [00:31] <Ironholds> mindspillage: I remember Cory Doctorow complaining about something similar [00:31] <log> Yes, hello. [00:31] <jeremyb> how pleasant [00:31] <Ironholds> although he always draws attention to the primary reason people have stopped caring about civil liberties �03[00:31] * jeremyb sets mode: -o jeremyb �03[00:31] * sonia is now known as Guest55846 �03[00:32] * Guest55846 is now known as sonia [00:32] <Ironholds> "the people who DO care seem to mostly be whingy, whiney, pretentious sods" �15[00:32] * sonia (~sonia@122-61-91-253.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) Quit (Changing host�) �03[00:32] * sonia (~sonia@wikipedia/sonia) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:32] <sonia> sigh �06[00:32] * foks /clear's [00:33] <mindspillage> Guilty. [00:33] <harej> Ironholds: both whingy AND whiney? [00:35] <Ironholds> harej: Doctorow, yes [00:35] <[Addihockey10]> foks: I reported it. [00:35] <[Addihockey10]> It should be removed... [00:35] <Ironholds> mindspillage: mostly! I meant Cory "I release as -NC because I hate schoolchildren" Doctorow. [00:35] <[Addihockey10]> I actually can't gift you. [00:35] <[Addihockey10]> I can only gift canadians. �06[00:36] * Ironholds sent gifts to all his american friends and co-workers [00:36] <Ironholds> or, all the ones I like, at least [00:37] <[Addihockey10]> Ironholds: I didn't receive a gift [00:37] <[Addihockey10]> Oh. [00:37] <[Addihockey10]> The ones you like [00:37] <Ironholds> [Addihockey10]: American! [00:37] <[Addihockey10]> Ironholds: North American? [00:37] <[Addihockey10]> :-D [00:37] <Ironholds> mindspillage, my boss, my other boss, my other boss [00:38] <Ironholds> jorm, I didn't get anything, because I spent about 90 bucks on the thing I brought to SF for him. �15[00:38] * YE (~chatzilla@ip70-189-176-107.lv.lv.cox.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds�) [00:38] <Ironholds> quanticle|away got nothing because I dislike him. Session Close: Mon Dec 26 00:38:53 2011 Session Start: Mon Dec 26 17:44:18 2011 Session Ident: #wikipedia-en �03[17:44] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en �03[17:44] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops <request...> | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request...> | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks�' �03[17:44] * Set by Fluffernutter!~Fluffernu@wikipedia/Fluffernutter on Fri Dec 23 22:26:48 [17:44] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/ [17:44] <lucasoutloud> [Box]: You actually bought an iOS product? Ha! You're not getting any money out of me. [17:44] <[Box]> lucasoutloud: I didn't. It was given to me. [17:45] <juancarlos> DYK: iTouch is a made-up term? [17:45] <lucasoutloud> [Box]: Oh. Well, that is different. [17:45] <[Box]> juancarlos: Mhm :-) �08[17:45] * derp hugs juancarlos [17:45] <juancarlos> ohai [17:45] <[Box]> lucasoutloud: I'll PM you my article on iPhone 4S and what I think �08[17:45] * derp is in Clifton Park, NY [17:45] <lucasoutloud> derp: How is huggle coming along. �08[17:45] <derp> eating supper atm. [17:45] <lucasoutloud> [Box]: Sure. �08[17:46] <derp> lucasoutloud, didn't start any dev yet, i forgot to bring the source with me :P [17:46] <lucasoutloud> derp: Nyoro~n [17:46] <[Box]> derp: Give me $10 via paypal so I can protect what you used to sell. �08[17:46] <derp> nah :) [17:46] <[Box]> :( �08[17:46] <derp> lucasoutloud, luckily, i have dropbox :) �08[17:46] <derp> it has the most current snapshot [17:46] <[Box]> derp: Thanks to you, unluckily I can't get a good deal on otterbox. �08[17:47] <derp> :P �08[17:47] <derp> Peter-C, get your scrawny ass in here. �03[17:47] * crackfu (~crack@adsl-108-78-206-101.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #wikipedia-en �15[17:48] * TBloemink (~TBloemink@wikimedia/tbloemink) Quit (Quit: Houd het fort allen!�) �15[17:51] * Netalarm (~Netalarm@TechEssentials/Netalarm) Quit (Quit: Shutting down�) �08[17:51] <derp> Hopefully, we're gonna spend the night in Cherry Hill, NJ [17:51] <juancarlos> in a rest stop? �03[17:51] * Netalarm (~Netalarm@adsl-99-142-42-219.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) has joined #wikipedia-en �15[17:51] * Netalarm (~Netalarm@adsl-99-142-42-219.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Changing host�) �03[17:51] * Netalarm (~Netalarm@TechEssentials/Netalarm) has joined #wikipedia-en �08[17:53] <derp> juancarlos, yes �08[17:53] <derp> at least, we're in a RV :) �08[17:53] <derp> I'll try to spot lot lizards :P [17:54] <harej> I see you are in New Jersey! How is that going for you? [17:54] <juancarlos> have you met the cast from the shore? [17:54] <harej> killy kill loves that show for some reason [17:54] <harej> he wishes i were from the jersey shore �08[17:54] <derp> harej, we're gonna be in NJ in about a hour and a half [17:55] <juancarlos> how's the turnpike? �08[17:55] <derp> smooth so far [17:55] <juancarlos> and the parkways [17:55] <harej> the highway's jammed with broken heros on a last chance powerdrive �08[17:55] <derp> true true �08[17:55] <derp> anyways �08[17:55] <derp> i gotta go, we're leaving <3 Session Close: Mon Dec 26 17:55:32 2011 Session Start: Mon Dec 26 17:55:32 2011 Session Ident: #wikipedia-en [17:55] SpamTunes stopped. �11[17:55] * Disconnected Session Close: Mon Dec 26 17:55:32 2011 Session Start: Mon Dec 26 19:22:06 2011 Session Ident: #wikipedia-en �03[19:22] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en �03[19:22] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops <request...> | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request...> | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks�' �03[19:22] * Set by Fluffernutter!~Fluffernu@wikipedia/Fluffernutter on Fri Dec 23 22:26:48 [19:22] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/ [19:22] <Peter-C> "The Pentagon cannot continue with business as usual when it comes to the F-22 or any other program in excess of our needs." [19:22] <TParis> ToAruShiroiNeko: I know, it doesnt take into account upgrades and improvements. It's just one measurement. �08[19:22] <Helen_Keller> sgudxghiawGFAUOWZHDOHJAIOWEGFZWHKPREHAIEHGFIPZWHJRIPFHGAEWZRHFIEGHTUOIAEZ`DIFZWEH [19:22] <Peter-C> The f-22 was too damn good! [19:22] <Gfoley4> Helen_Keller: behave �12[19:22] -Prodego- don't flood please [19:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the UK has high tech millitary to minimize upkeep [19:22] <Peter-C> ToAruShiroiNeko - one issue I can see with the f-22 is the hatch issue [19:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the US military is far too spread [19:22] <TParis> Peter-C: The F-22 actual costs is about 2-3x higher than the official costs. [19:22] <Peter-C> Really? [19:22] <TParis> Because of some kind of software glitch [19:23] <Peter-C> blah [19:23] <Peter-C> A-10's have no software issues! :D [19:23] <Prodego> {{cn}} [19:23] <Peter-C> I love their CICU <3 [19:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Peter-C they actually do [19:23] <Peter-C> Stop ruining my hopes and dreams god damn it D: �03[19:23] * Seahorse (~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler) has joined #wikipedia-en [19:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis the way I see it having a decent airforce is important but not as important as it used to be. The enemy doesnt have tanks most of the time in the modern wars [19:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> heck enemy doesnt even have anti-air [19:24] <Peter-C> What about Libya? [19:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> libya was semi-conventional warfare [19:24] <TParis> ToAruShiroiNeko: Most folks in congress would agree with you. [19:24] <Peter-C> They mounted AA guns on the back of their Toyotas! [19:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> libyan millitary wasnt a serious threat �15[19:25] * Vito (~Vito@unaffiliated/vito) Quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net�) �08[19:25] <Helen_Keller> What do you call Stevie Wonder and Hellen Keller playing tennis? �08[19:25] <Helen_Keller> Eternal love. [19:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis it is true. It is a good idea to have top notch planes just in case if russians or germans pick up a fight again :p [19:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but aside from that the US does not expect to find itself in real conventional warfare [19:26] <TParis> The thing is, we can desimate any country in the world in under 24 hours. But how long will that advantage last? �03[19:26] * agk-wiki (wikiagk@5e0d1cfd.bb.sky.com) has joined #wikipedia-en [19:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis I disagree [19:26] <Peter-C> TParis - I think 3 weeks is more like it [19:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> US cannot do that to china [19:26] <Peter-C> (if we want to be conventional about it) [19:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> why? Chinese have more people than US has ammunition :p [19:27] <TParis> ToAruShiroiNeko: China may be an exception, but the actual timeframe wouldnt be very long even in Chinas case if we were to launch a full out war. [19:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis also capability wise a good chunk of US millitary cannot be mobilised [19:27] <Peter-C> ToAruShiroiNeko - You never heard the story about having one bullet and having Hitler, Stalin, and Ironholds in a room? [19:27] <Peter-C> :P [19:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> US millitary is far too spread out [19:28] <goodgentleman> guys its me yoyo [19:28] <goodgentleman> that idiot is still going [19:28] <goodgentleman> see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Doc9871&action=history [19:28] <goodgentleman> can someone sort it out [19:28] <goodgentleman> cheers [19:28] <TParis> ToAruShiroiNeko: You'd be surprised. The USAF prides itself that it can move an entire wing in 24 hours. [19:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> goodgentleman he seems to like you [19:28] <TParis> We call them Air Expenditionary Wings. [19:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis right but doing so would open a hole in the defensive line [19:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I mean if you were to empty alaska to attack china russia would kick ur ballz [19:29] <TParis> Not really. We're pretty well overlapped and we have protection treaties with our neighboors. �03[19:29] * CRRaysHead90 (~CR90@unaffiliated/crrayshead90) has joined #wikipedia-en [19:29] <TParis> Canada doesn't have a negligible force. [19:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis you want canadians to protect your ass? :D [19:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> all russia needs to do is bomb them with enough vodka :p [19:29] <TParis> Haha, that's true. The Canadians do drink a lot :D [19:30] <Peter-C> The Canadian army soldiers have been know to drive strykers off mountain sides... [19:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis My theory is that is because Canadians do not have enough theme parks [19:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Canada has mountains? [19:30] <TParis> haha, but they sure dp have a lot of hockey �15[19:31] * Beria_ (~Beria@wikimedia/Beria) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds�) [19:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Peter-C it takes tallent to drive anything off of mountain sides in canada :p [19:31] <Peter-C> Some canadian in Iraq looked away from the road and drove the stryker he was driving off a mountain side [19:31] <TParis> Honestly though, we're not as spread as you might imagine. [19:31] <Peter-C> The vechicle was a bit scratched, the people in side were banged up though [19:31] <TParis> If we were to put our full force to war, some 3 million active, guard, and reserve forces, we'd have a much larger force. [19:32] <TParis> Right now though, we dont deploy all of our forces at a time. [19:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis true [19:32] <TParis> For example, the Air Force is on 6 month on, 12 months off rotations. [19:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what I am saying is that is why some US hardware isnt high tech [19:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> thats why UK appears more high tech because they arent as spread [19:32] <Peter-C> Is high tech software required? [19:32] <Peter-C> An A-10 can still blow shit up [19:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Peter-C not really [19:32] <Peter-C> But it can't go on the internet [19:32] <gde33> bankrupt dictatorships stuffing their last money in war toys [19:33] <gde33> lmao [19:33] <TParis> ToShiroiNeko: The US is low tech because we spend more money developing the armies of other nations than our own. [19:33] <TParis> We take loans from China so we can give money to poorer countries. [19:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis right [19:33] <gde33> haha [19:33] <TParis> I dont understand why we have to be the middle man [19:33] <gde33> but that money is needed to hoodwink the local economy in those countries [19:33] <TParis> Just let Iraq, North Korea, Sudan, and every other country we give money to take out their own damn loans. [19:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis I think it is more like US is the postal service :) �03[19:34] * Beria (~Beria@wikimedia/Beria) has joined #wikipedia-en [19:34] <TParis> Or at the very least, let's stop giving money to countries that hate us. [19:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis north korea doesnt hate you [19:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they love you! [19:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> :p [19:34] <TParis> Congress couldn't find $1.2 trillion over 10 years....well I can... [19:34] <gde33> but then they will build an ecconomy of their own! [19:35] <gde33> we have a lot of money invested in other countries not having any economy [19:35] <TParis> We should not take loans from foreign countries when we are giving money to foreign countries. [19:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis you mean congressman dont have a clue as to wtf they are doing? news to me :p [19:35] <harej> FOREIGN AID IS LIKE 1% OF THE BUDGET [19:35] <harej> WHY IS THIS HAPPENING �03[19:35] * harej (~harej@wikipedia/MessedRocker) has left #wikipedia-en ("Leaving"�) [19:35] <Peter-C> LOL [19:35] <TParis> Well that was a quick exit [19:35] <Peter-C> ^ [19:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> he ejected from the discussion! [19:36] <gde33> we should stop forein aid and free the budget to buy mass murder [19:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Peter-C seriously though ordering an A-10 to bomb something spesific is meh [19:36] <gde33> the glory of the militardy [19:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> an F-18 would bomb the target and return by the time A-10 is halfway there [19:36] <TParis> gde33: We should stop foreign aid until we can afford it without taking out a loan. [19:36] <Peter-C> I like the A10 because I think I would feel safer in it [19:37] <Peter-C> more redundency [19:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis the thing is US doesnt really provide aid as in handing countries cash [19:37] <gde33> TParis: there is no "afford" there is just western countries printing money [19:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> US aid is more like building shit in foreign lands to profit from it [19:37] <Peter-C> The one thing I do not like is the manuverability �08[19:37] <Helen_Keller> Prodego, question [19:37] <Peter-C> And it requires a lot of programing before take off �08[19:37] <Helen_Keller> Peter-C, question [19:37] <TParis> ToAruShiroiNeko: Yeah we do. Amoungst other forms of aid, we actually give quite a lot of cash. Sometimes it isnt direct though. A lot of our foreign cash aid goes through the UN. [19:37] <Prodego> Helen_Keller: better ask it, keeping in mind what I've said [19:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis well UN budget is an entirely different animal [19:37] <TParis> gde33: Cash has to be backed up by gold. �08[19:38] <Helen_Keller> Prodego, you suck. [19:38] <Peter-C> TParis - I thought they got rid of that in the 50's �03[19:38] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Prodego �03[19:38] * Prodego sets mode: +b *!*@2001:0:4137:9e76:3c33:2c95:b9cf:a0e1 �08[19:38] <Helen_Keller> Cash so shit �03[19:38] * ChanServ sets mode: -o Prodego [19:38] #wikipedia-en Cannot send to channel [19:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> either you throw money in developing countries or they become terrorist hotspots [19:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it is an interesting academic field to read actuallyt [19:38] <Peter-C> Prodego just banned Helen_Keller... [19:38] <Peter-C> I find that a weird thing to say �03[19:38] * harej (~harej@pool-98-109-118-5.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) has joined #wikipedia-en �15[19:38] * harej (~harej@pool-98-109-118-5.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Changing host�) �03[19:38] * harej (~harej@wikipedia/MessedRocker) has joined #wikipedia-en [19:38] <TParis> ToAruShiroiNeko: Let them take out their own Chinese loans. [19:38] <Peter-C> welcome back [19:38] <TParis> wb �08[19:38] -> *Peter-C* GNAA <3 you. �03[19:38] * harej (~harej@wikipedia/MessedRocker) has left #wikipedia-en [19:38] <Peter-C> We were talking about rising against the 1% [19:38] <Peter-C> ... [19:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis US should just abolish air force, then there would be enough cash for all :P [19:39] <Ironholds> Peter-C, your dad is a commercial lawyer [19:39] <Ironholds> you ARE the bloody 1 percent �03[19:39] * Sp33dyphil (1b209a83@wikipedia/Sp33dyphil) has joined #wikipedia-en [19:39] <Peter-C> I meant rising against the 1% of the budget [19:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds am I the 1%? [19:39] <TParis> ToAruShiroiNeko: The USAF budget pales in comparison to the Army. [19:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis probably [19:39] <Sp33dyphil> Huggle working for anybody? [19:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> USAF needs moar big ass planes that can go to space [19:40] <juancarlos> I don't think if one's dad is a lawyer that makes then the 1%. Aren't there more celebrities than lawyers? ;-) �03[19:40] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Prodego Session Close: Mon Dec 26 19:40:16 2011 Session Start: Mon Dec 26 21:49:45 2011 Session Ident: #wikipedia-en �03[21:49] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en �03[21:49] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops <request...> | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request...> | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks�' �03[21:49] * Set by Fluffernutter!~Fluffernu@wikipedia/Fluffernutter on Fri Dec 23 22:26:48 [21:49] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/ �03[21:49] * Retrieving #wikipedia-en modes... [21:49] <log> I hate discussions about logging in. I always have to end up being a part of them. [21:49] <kylu> elsewhere, it goes through a number of security questions to verify that I'm me, then calls me on the cell to ensure that I'm me. [21:50] <lucasoutloud> log: So, why am I a murderer? �08[21:50] <Hella_Back> lucasoutloud, you murdered my puppies. [21:50] <lucasoutloud> Hella_Back: You don't have the context. [21:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Banaticus unfortunately wifis have limited characters for passwords �08[21:50] <Hella_Back> I do. [21:50] <log> lucasoutloud: But he has the evidence. �08[21:50] <Hella_Back> lucasoutloud, context bitch please. [21:51] <Steven_Zhang> ugh [21:51] <Steven_Zhang> busterD reopened their rfa [21:51] <Steven_Zhang> really? �08[21:51] <Hella_Back> Hello Steven_Zhang. �08[21:51] <Hella_Back> krsfhnlaehjfposhfdgihenpio;gb [21:51] <log> lucasoutloud: Honestly, though, I just said that because the other guy said that you bit Steven_Zhang. :P [21:51] <log> Thus, you're a vampire. [21:51] <Steven_Zhang> hello derp [21:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> rfa's should be conducted through ebay sales [21:52] <lucasoutloud> log: ;_; [21:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> highest bidder gets it �08[21:52] <Hella_Back> You're a vampire, and yet, you suck. [21:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> vampires dotn suck, they glitter [21:52] <lucasoutloud> OHHHHH [21:52] <Pilif12p> omg [21:52] <Pilif12p> i can't think [21:52] <log> We know. �08[21:52] <Hella_Back> Pilif12p, then go get busy. [21:52] <Pilif12p> how many beats is a dotted eighth note? �08[21:52] <Hella_Back> . �08[21:52] <Hella_Back> . �08[21:52] <Hella_Back> . �08[21:52] <Hella_Back> . �08[21:52] <Hella_Back> . �08[21:52] <Hella_Back> . �08[21:52] <Hella_Back> . [21:52] <Pilif12p> in 4/4 time [21:52] <log> Hella_Back: Stop that, please. [21:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Hella_Back stop making fine points �08[21:53] <Hella_Back> you wanted beats. [21:53] <log> You can do them on one line. �08[21:53] * Hella_Back bets log [21:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Hella_Back try applying com,pression [21:53] <JoeGazz84> Pilif12p: I believe 1 [21:53] <mindspillage> Pilif12p: 3/4 of a beat. �08[21:53] * Hella_Back has beats. [21:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> log btw are you captains log? �06[21:53] * log has Beats. [21:53] <log> Audio. [21:53] <JoeGazz84> Because in 4/4 it's counted as 1-and 2-and 3-and 4-and and an eighth note is the "and" so a dot gives it another "and" [21:53] <log> ToAruShiroiNeko: Pardon? �08[21:53] * Hella_Back does too. �08[21:54] * Hella_Back declares log ☨. [21:54] <Pilif12p> did my last four lines send? �08[21:54] <Hella_Back> ☹ [21:54] <Pilif12p> i take that as a ye [21:54] <Pilif12p> mindspillage, that's what I thought [21:54] <Pilif12p> i'm playing Hey Jude on my arduino :P [21:54] <mindspillage> JoeGazz84: it is not 1. A quarter note is 1 beat. A dot adds half of the value of the note on to the end. [21:54] <Pilif12p> I found some sheet music for it [21:54] <log> Pilif12p: Hey Jude. [21:55] <log> Don't be afraid. [21:55] <log> Okay? �08[21:55] <Hella_Back> do not be afraid, child. �08[21:55] <Hella_Back> [21:55] <Pilif12p> I won't, log, I won't [21:55] <JoeGazz84> mindspillage: Oh, you're correct. Thanks for fixing me. [21:55] <log> Good. [21:55] <log> I'm counting on you. �08[21:55] <Hella_Back> 편 [21:55] <Pilif12p> and the enharmonic of an A# is Gb [21:56] <Pilif12p> no [21:56] <Pilif12p> just a G? [21:56] <Pilif12p> hestrdgftdf i haven't touched my instrument in a week and I can't think music �06[21:56] * log asks Wolfram|Alpha. [21:56] <log> "Using closest Wolfram|Alpha interpretation: gene an A" �08[21:56] <Hella_Back> A [21:56] <log> Thus, the enharmonic of an A# is AAGCTAGCTAGC, according to Wolfram|Alpha. [21:57] <log> Hope that helps. [21:57] <lucasoutloud> log: Twinkle is failing on me, so take care of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Burr# [21:57] <Pilif12p> log, yeah, T doesn't exist [21:57] <mindspillage> Pilif12p: a sharp raises a note... so to find the one that is the same as it, look for a higher note that is lowered... so A#'s enharmonic is Bb. [21:57] <Pilif12p> Unless you never went from A -> G [21:57] <log> lucasoutloud: That doesn't exist. [21:57] <lucasoutloud> log: Oh, nevermind then. [21:57] <Pilif12p> mindspillage, yeah, that. Thanks [21:57] <Pilif12p> What do you play? �08[21:57] -> *Peter-C* GNAA loves you. [21:57] <Pilif12p> i assume you play an instrument? [21:58] <jeremyb> Ryulong: fyi, no one spoke in #-ja in your absence (besides the bot) [21:59] <Pilif12p> oh god, this won't be fun [21:59] <Pilif12p> i'll just do the main part :P [21:59] <Ryulong> the nation of Japan is on dipsoluscious vacation this week �03[21:59] * Guerillero_ (~Gueriller@pool-71-126-40-175.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) has joined #wikipedia-en �03[22:00] * Guerillero_ is now known as Guerillero �15[22:00] * Guerillero (~Gueriller@pool-71-126-40-175.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) Quit (Changing host�) �03[22:00] * Guerillero (~Gueriller@wikipedia/Guerillero) has joined #wikipedia-en [22:00] <mindspillage> Pilif12p: yep--bassoon and viola mainly. �03[22:00] * foks (~joseph@wikipedia/fox) has joined #wikipedia-en [22:00] <lucasoutloud> We need to make a channel for discussing SEGA games. [22:01] <unfo> lucasoutloud: which ones? [22:01] <Pilif12p> Ooh, cool. [22:01] <lucasoutloud> unfo: The sonic games on Genesis. But there is already #sega but it seems dead. �03[22:03] * Ktr101 (183cd9f9@wikipedia/Ktr101) has joined #wikipedia-en �15[22:03] * Monchoman45 (6c02c3d1@wikia/Monchoman45) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds�) [22:03] <Pilif12p> log, I need help with math [22:04] <Pilif12p> wtf does "timeHigh = period / 2 = 1 / (2 * toneFrequency)" mean" [22:04] <Pilif12p> Looking for timeHigh [22:04] <Pilif12p> but how the hell do you interpret it �06[22:05] * log nudges Pilif12p toward the other server in his client. [22:06] <Banaticus> Pilif12p: what is timeHigh supposed to be? and why are there three equals in that? I thought you were assigning a variable in programming, but maybe not? [22:06] <unfo> lucasoutloud: See _Open Sonic_, http://opensnc.sf.net/ . Version 0.1.4 is playable and fun, but you can't save. Instead, you can suspend or hibernate your PC. An unfinished copy of 0.2.0 is available from [[source control]], and you can compile it yourself and play it. Have you ever seen it before? [22:06] <unfo> I don't know if they have an IRC channel. If they do, then maybe off-topic Sonic-on-Genesis discussions can go there. [22:06] <Pilif12p> Banaticus, I am [22:06] <lucasoutloud> unfo: Never heard of it. [22:07] <unfo> lucasoutloud: Let me know what you think of it. What did you want to discuss specifically BTW? [22:07] <Banaticus> well, the 2 = 1 will fail when you try to compile it in the languages I'm familiar with -- what are you using? [22:07] <lucasoutloud> unfo: I just like discussing sonic. That is what my friend Felicia and I do. [22:07] <unfo> lucasoutloud: What do you talk about? [22:08] <lucasoutloud> unfo: We just talk about how much we like it, discuss the new games, the old games, the manga, etc. [22:08] <lucasoutloud> Oh, and the cheesy as hell cartoon that I love so much. [22:08] <unfo> lucasoutloud: talk is overrated. Game development has far more possibilities in it. :) [22:09] <lucasoutloud> So, what makes this game better than the genesis games I can boot up right now? [22:09] <{Soap}> hm [22:09] <{Soap}> I remember a game engine named OpenSonic from about 7 years ago [22:10] <{Soap}> probably entirely unrelated [22:10] <unfo> lucasoutloud: Have you beaten all the Genesis Sonic games already? [22:10] <lucasoutloud> unfo: I haven't beaten them but I've gotten close. [22:10] <{Soap}> Open Surge is written from the ground up in C language using the Allegro game programming library for graphics, sounds, player input and timers. It's being developed since August 2008. Development occurs collaboratively in our community forums. <--- yeah that proves it's different [22:10] <unfo> {Soap}: link to the old OpenSonic please? �15[22:10] * Sp33dyphil (1b209a83@wikipedia/Sp33dyphil) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds�) [22:10] <{Soap}> its probably gone [22:11] <{Soap}> but it was a fork of a project called OpenZelda which was all about re-creating Link to the Past [22:11] <{Soap}> and that project was renamed to OpenLegends [22:11] <lucasoutloud> {Soap}: Why bother when it was remade on GBA? [22:11] <{Soap}> I mean, as an engine [22:12] <lucasoutloud> Or was that another Zelda...? [22:12] <{Soap}> people would make dozens of games that look like LTTP but have different enemies, levels, etc [22:12] <{Soap}> I made one [22:12] <unfo> lucasoutloud: Open Sonic will provide something new to play through. In 0.1.4, if you go to "Extras" then the "Extra levels" (?) quest, you'll find a very challenging campaign, including a level that, as far as I've seen, contains no rings, only shields. [22:13] <unfo> lucasoutloud: ah, I found a link to pre-compiled copies of 0.2.0, so you can just download, unpack, and play. http://opensnc.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=438 [22:13] <lucasoutloud> unfo: Aww shit sounds cool. [22:13] <unfo> lucasoutloud: have you ever played any Sonic fangames before? [22:14] <lucasoutloud> unfo: I think once or twice, but they were flash games. Session Close: Mon Dec 26 22:15:10 2011